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Old 08-12-2005, 04:24 PM
Lloyd Lloyd is offline
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Default Middle Pair Open Ended Draw on Rainbow Flop in BB 7-handed

Party $109 very early. I think there are several lines here and would like to see some thoughts on which is best:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t475)
MP2 (t505)
MP3 (t955)
CO (t1005)
Button (t955)
SB (t2210)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t955)
UTG+1 (t940)
UTG+2 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, UTG+2 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t105) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ???
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Old 08-12-2005, 04:39 PM
Bill Kolter Bill Kolter is offline
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Default Re: Middle Pair Open Ended Draw on Rainbow Flop in BB 7-handed

Check. You're out of position and can't stand a raise.
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Old 08-12-2005, 04:50 PM
Lloyd Lloyd is offline
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Default Re: Middle Pair Open Ended Draw on Rainbow Flop in BB 7-handed

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Check. You're out of position and can't stand a raise.

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That's certainly an option and part of the check-line but what's your plan based on the action when (if) it gets back to you.
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Old 08-12-2005, 05:04 PM
Bill Kolter Bill Kolter is offline
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Default Re: Middle Pair Open Ended Draw on Rainbow Flop in BB 7-handed

That's a great question, and I don't think I have a satisfactory answer. I view this as a drawing hand, and I view draws as math problems. If the pot is offering correct odds, I'll pay to see cards. I'm not going to try to steal this pot from early position. If I get much heat, I'm gone. Because you KNOW an overcard is coming.
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Old 08-12-2005, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Middle Pair Open Ended Draw on Rainbow Flop in BB 7-handed

I'll check and watch the action, if it gets really crazy I dump.

More likely someone will bet then get a couple of callers, I will check/raise roughly the size of the pot. If I'm up against a set or made straight I should find out, and this is the cheapest way.

Pairs *may* call the c/r so if I'm called, I fire again on the turn if it blanks, if I make my straight, I check/raise again.

I'm really tired, but I think that's what I do, I definetly c/r the flop to get rid of the as many guys as I can, and I'm pretty deep so I can afford to do it and still release if I'm beat.

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Old 08-12-2005, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: Middle Pair Open Ended Draw on Rainbow Flop in BB 7-handed

Check hoping someone directly to your left makes a retardedly small bet and everyone else calls so you can too and then proceed from there. If the bet chases most others out now you might want to consider a check raise or just calling depending on the bet size.

But in short I check as there's little to no chance I can win outright with a bet.
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:45 PM
woodguy woodguy is offline
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Default Re: Middle Pair Open Ended Draw on Rainbow Flop in BB 7-handed

Thought more about this over dinner.

I don't like my inital line as it builds to big a pot OOP with 2nd pair and a draw.

If you can get to the turn cheap, take it.

I *may* c/r the turn if its a suspect button bet and no one else shows interest.

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