Did i just buy two useless books?

[Biggenx]

I ordered Small Stakes Hold'em and Hold'em Poker For Advanced Players thinking they would be like TOP in that they would have info on Limit and NL.

After skimming through them (VERY briefly) to see what they covered, it seems there isn't one word on No Limit.

I'm NOT looking to be a well rounded poker player, since i switched from limit to NL very early on, I've dedicated myself to one game and one game only Small Stakes NO LIMIT Hold em Full Ring games.

I imagine that there is quit a bit of useful information in these two books i bought that can be applied to fixed and no limit games, but I'd rather not filter through them to find it. Knowing me I'd probably end up contaminating my game with additional leaks.

Can anyone suggest specific chapters that i can glean useful NL tools from in either of these books?

Are there any books actually geared toward Small Stakes NO LIMIT hold em? Or do i have to buy a tournement book for NL.

[GrunchCan]

Sorry, Biggenx:

You bought 2 books that are worhtless to you. In fact, they are of negative worth to you. If you were to apply what you learned in SSH to a NL game, you'd go broke quickly.

You might glean some general concepts at a very abstract level. But honestly, I think you should just not even open those books.

Try HOH and ciaffone instead.

[Bukem_]

As of yet there aren't any ssnl books out.

As for those books, any example with hand reading is good.

The section that rates hand strength based on the flop is good for nl(ssh). Waiting for the turn to raise a good but not great hand should be helpful also.

hpfap section on heads up and sh helps you think more directly about how to beat a specific opponent.

I still think you should play limit before nl to drill basic ideas into your head.

[webmonarch]

I don't think they are "useless." Hold Em is the same game, same rules, but for the limits. That being said, I think that you should read and understand those books without being too hung up on follwoing them to a "T." There are definitely bertter NL books out there, though.

I read Small Stakes Hold 'Em three times, thinking that I could apply it to SSNL, but I do not recall anything in there that has advanced my NL game. It's a good book, but IMO, you are better off getting your money back.

I also read HE for AP, and I think you should keep that one for its general mathematical discussions throughout. When Sklansky talks about things like whether bluffing ought to be slightly +- or neutral EV, I think this applies equally. I don't have my copy here, but I was just reading the chapter on bluffing last night, and I felt like the concepts were easily enough employed in/adapted to, NL.

Based on your desire to complete specialize on full-ring SSNL those books are useless.

Just my $0.02 though, being a good limit hold em player is a desirable thing.

[intheflatfield]

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The section that rates hand strength based on the flop is good for nl(ssh). Waiting for the turn to raise a good but not great hand should be helpful also.


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I also found that to be the case. In addition, I think that a lot of the concepts discussed, (those which work on higher limits but don't apply to small stakes) as well as the psychology of small stakes, are relavint to both NL and Limit play.

For instance someone attempting to apply Super System at the smaller stakes are probably not going to be happy w/ their results.

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For instance someone attempting to apply Super System at the smaller stakes are probably not going to be happy w/ their results.

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Although much of doyle writes assumes deeper stacks then 100xBB what about SS do you think would lead to unhappiness in results at the small stakes level?

[gulebjorn]

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For instance someone attempting to apply Super System at the smaller stakes are probably not going to be happy w/ their results.

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Although much of doyle writes assumes deeper stacks then 100xBB what about SS do you think would lead to unhappiness in results at the small stakes level?

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In order for many of Doyle's strategies to work, you would need much more fold equity that you would get in small stakes. Among other reasons.

[DWarrior]

The structure is precisely what makes these games so different.