Quick check (a nod would suffice)

Stack · #1 08-09-2005, 08:33 PM

UTG: 78/15/1.4
BB: 45/2/0.6 (very passive pre and post flop even with good hands)

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds

Catt · #2 08-09-2005, 08:38 PM

* shakes head *

(i.e., does not nod)

Stack · #3 08-09-2005, 08:55 PM

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* shakes head *

(i.e., does not nod)

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

You call down?

Catt · #4 08-09-2005, 10:07 PM

Absent an A or a K, yeah - in those cases I'm probably raising. This guy's stats indicate he is a maniac. He could be check-raising you here with just about any two, and I would certainly expect him to go nuts with a 7, any gutshot, a BD draw, etc. Until proven otherwise, a 78 VPIP with a 1.4 post-flop aggression is probably not folding the vast majority of flops he sees, which means he is betting and raising more often than calling despite seeing better than 80% of the flops. You simply can't fold to this guy. BB seeing the river woould be annoying and something to think about, but you need a heckuva lot more to lay this down than a C/R from UTG.

Even if he wasn't a maniac, you're getting 7+:1 to call the turn (with mister passive reasonably unlikely to raise you here behind) and you have somewhere around 6-7 outs and often as many as 9. So, IMHO, you should be seeing the river even if UTG was a TAG if the chances of being raised behind are not too great.

wackjob · #5 08-09-2005, 10:44 PM

I'm calling and folding the river UI.

Stack · #6 08-10-2005, 01:06 AM

wow, thanks Catt for a clear explanation. I thought it was a pretty easy fold because I couldn't see myself ending up ahead of both of them often.

The fact that the Q is an over to my pair, and the flush draw lowering my equity, I feld ok folding.

Often I find myself calling these intending to fold the river UI, but since the pot gets big by then, I call and feel dumb doing so.

I'll have to move my lazy ass and post more hands.