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#1
08-09-2005, 04:59 PM
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pumped flush draw on flop
Comments flop & 4th street appreciated.
Stats: SB 16/6/1.5 UTG 86/0/1.1 CO 64/6.5/.44 Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls. Turn: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls. River: (12.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks. Final Pot: 12.50 BB 
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#2
08-09-2005, 05:01 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
Looks fine
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#4
08-09-2005, 05:04 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
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? your question is ? [/ QUOTE ] guess I don't have one as long as it [ QUOTE ] looks fine [/ QUOTE ]
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#5
08-09-2005, 05:37 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
I'm not sure I understand why the flop 3-bet is ok. SB seems to be a tight and reasonably aggressive player, so a strong flush draw seems likely, though it could just be that he's hit a pair and has a big kicker. As I understand, Hero doesn't raise here because the pot's small so there's not much to protect, and he wants callers. But UTG, who seems to be passive, then raises. This seems to make it even more likely that one of these guys has a big flush draw. So why 3-bet?
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#6
08-09-2005, 05:44 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
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I'm not sure I understand why the flop 3-bet is ok. SB seems to be a tight and reasonably aggressive player, so a strong flush draw seems likely, though it could just be that he's hit a pair and has a big kicker. As I understand, Hero doesn't raise here because the pot's small so there's not much to protect, and he wants callers. But UTG, who seems to be passive, then raises. This seems to make it even more likely that one of these guys has a big flush draw. So why 3-bet? [/ QUOTE ] Hero has 20% pot equity. He will win with a flush more then 20% of the time, so the more money hero gets into the pot on the flop, the more he stands to win in the long run.
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#7
08-09-2005, 06:12 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I understand why the flop 3-bet is ok. SB seems to be a tight and reasonably aggressive player, so a strong flush draw seems likely, though it could just be that he's hit a pair and has a big kicker. As I understand, Hero doesn't raise here because the pot's small so there's not much to protect, and he wants callers. But UTG, who seems to be passive, then raises. This seems to make it even more likely that one of these guys has a big flush draw. So why 3-bet? [/ QUOTE ] Hero has 20% pot equity. He will win with a flush more then 20% of the time, so the more money hero gets into the pot on the flop, the more he stands to win in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] Hero is only getting back 3 SB for his 1 SB. If his equity is only 20% - he wins 1 in 5 times. If he wins 1 in 5 times he'd need 4 callers in for this 3 bet to be ok, correct? Otherwise I think our hero is losing 1/5 of a SB every time he makes this play. By far not a huge error, but still an error.
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#8
08-09-2005, 06:18 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I understand why the flop 3-bet is ok. SB seems to be a tight and reasonably aggressive player, so a strong flush draw seems likely, though it could just be that he's hit a pair and has a big kicker. As I understand, Hero doesn't raise here because the pot's small so there's not much to protect, and he wants callers. But UTG, who seems to be passive, then raises. This seems to make it even more likely that one of these guys has a big flush draw. So why 3-bet? [/ QUOTE ] Hero has 20% pot equity. He will win with a flush more then 20% of the time, so the more money hero gets into the pot on the flop, the more he stands to win in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] Hero is only getting back 3 SB for his 1 SB. If his equity is only 20% - he wins 1 in 5 times. If he wins 1 in 5 times he'd need 4 callers in for this 3 bet to be ok, correct? Otherwise I think our hero is losing 1/5 of a SB every time he makes this play. By far not a huge error, but still an error. [/ QUOTE ] I missed the one fold. I still think it is close though
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#9
08-09-2005, 06:24 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
I missed the one fold. I still think it is close though [/ QUOTE ] Agreed not a huge error either way, but we would definately want to bet with more people in! With this many or less calling is probably more correct.
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#10
08-09-2005, 06:32 PM
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Re: pumped flush draw on flop
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I'm not sure I understand why the flop 3-bet is ok. SB seems to be a tight and reasonably aggressive player, so a strong flush draw seems likely, though it could just be that he's hit a pair and has a big kicker. As I understand, Hero doesn't raise here because the pot's small so there's not much to protect, and he wants callers. But UTG, who seems to be passive, then raises. This seems to make it even more likely that one of these guys has a big flush draw. So why 3-bet? [/ QUOTE ] Hero has 20% pot equity. He will win with a flush more then 20% of the time, so the more money hero gets into the pot on the flop, the more he stands to win in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] Hero has 35% pot equity. He can bet if he expects 2 callers. (3 would be better, but 2 is close.)
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