General pocket pair question.

kongo_totte · #1 08-08-2005, 10:41 PM

Let's say the villian is a random PP NL50 player.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

BB ($69.60)
UTG ($66.58)
UTG+1 ($15.80)
UTG+2 ($50.50)
MP1 ($5.25)
Hero ($71.04)
MP3 ($37.70)
CO ($33.10)
Button ($24.60)
SB ($47.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.5, BB calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($11.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

A) How much should I call here in general?
B) Should I bet if checked to?
C) If the river is the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

deadmoney98 · #2 08-08-2005, 10:45 PM

I probably fire again on the turn here, but barring that I answer your actual questions...
A)$10 or less
B)no

I think A is the far more valuable question here, and without reads I really do not have a good argument for my answer, so I hope someone else does.

DoomSlice · #3 08-08-2005, 10:48 PM

A) Almost nothing, the only time I'd consider a call is if the bet is more than 2/3 of the pot (you can figure that one out)
B) Yes, 1/3 pot
C) Same.

Macquarie · #4 08-09-2005, 12:13 AM

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A) Almost nothing, the only time I'd consider a call is if the bet is more than 2/3 of the pot (you can figure that one out)
B) Yes, 1/3 pot
C) Same.

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So you would fold to a $4 bet but call a pot-size bet? Even though you have to be good 20% in the first instance and 33% in the second? I don't think I'd put this much faith in a "strength is weakness" read here (if that's what you're implying)

Having checked the turn I think you ought to call $10 on the river. I wouldn't bet if checked to.

In general, I think I'd prefer to bet the turn here, and check through the river or fold to a bet. You'd get better value out of a draw this way, and avoid having to call a river bet with no idea where you are. (With KQ, I think I'd check the turn and call the river, but in that case you pick up extra value from persuading a weak K to bet into you on the river)

DoomSlice · #5 08-09-2005, 12:21 AM

Although you have to win more of the time when facing a larger bet, you will be up against a bluff much more often than when facing a smaller bet.

Allinlife · #6 08-09-2005, 12:34 AM

it should be a routine fold if he bets 4$ or more..I might even fold to a 3$

I don't see many hands you beat coming out firing