Do I have the right to be angry about this

[fimbulwinter]

quickly: I'm a NL 6max player who generally plays fairly loose (VP$IP ~34-40 typically). This is a style that I enjoy playing and that makes the game interesting and mentally challenging to me. Monetarily, these extra hands above say VP$IP ~25 are worth about 1PTBB/100 (PTBB is NL terminology for twice the size of the big blind) to me, if anything at all. therefore the main reason i play them is for my own enjoyment.

especially with the advent of ed miller's GSIH, the games in which i play are rife with short buyins playing all-in or fold preflop poker. most of them play badly, some of them do it quite well. The problem this presents me is a greatly decreased return on hands with high implied odds and a slightly lowered winrate simply because there is less money available on the table, and my overlay is cut down as the money gets shorter.

in short, this is forcing me to tighten up and play more robotically. It's certainly not hard to beat a player on 30bb's, but it's boring and much more card-dependant than i'd like.

In the strictest sense they are playing better in that they are losing players and are risking less money, therefore increasing their EV. In this sense I feel silly being angry about them ruining the fun of the game, but at the same time, i think there has been a lot of the "play" taken out of poker given the popularity of tournaments and now i feel that is spilling over.

Obviously there's nothing i can do. party loves fish, fish love shortstacks and weak/tights love fish, so any real complaint would get no creedence. I have, admittedly, berated shortstacks and tried to taunt them into rebuying to full to "bust" me. I shouldn't do that, I know.

Am I being irrational? They moved my cheeze and I dont like it.

fim

[Jazza]

i've had similar thoughts, and come to the conclusion that we don't have the right to complain

the minimum buy in has always been 20 big blinds as far as i can remember, and i don't think we can say this is wrong and needs to be changed

no real content in this post besides me basically saying: yeah, i reckon you're being irrational

[Triumph36]

I have the same problem, yesterday I berated someone into buying in full .. he ALWAYS sits down with 20 BBs in short-handed games, and loves to min-raise from every position. It drives me absolutely crazy.

While I didn't bust him, I lost 4-5 buyins in 3 hours. Was it karma?

Anyway, I think you've developed a game you're comfortable playing, and being moved out of that comfort level isn't easy. I like raising suited connectors in position; I don't like waiting for great cards to beat these all-in specialists. Plus while they usually make -EV plays, so do most opponents, and so you win less from their mistakes.

[Mr. Curious]

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especially with the advent of ed miller's GSIH

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Do you really think that anyone who read GSIH was a fish? Maybe a few, but that is about it.

Since you know how the short stacks are playing, you should challenge yourself to figure out the most profitable way to use their thinking against them.

And yes you do have the right to be angry, but I hope you realize that it is just whining and that you will be a better player once you get over it.

[bernie]

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Do you really think that anyone who read GSIH was a fish? Maybe a few, but that is about it.


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There's many who've read TOP, HEPFAP, SSH and this who are still fish and will always be fish. Just because they read it, even sometimes comprehending it, doesn't mean that they'll use it. It's too boring for most to play winning poker.

b

[mungpo]

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Do you really think that anyone who read GSIH was a fish?

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I do.

[bkholdem]

Yes you have a right to be angry. You have a right to piss off your chips as a result of your anger too. You also have the right to stand on your head and quack like a duck. However exercising any of those rights are -EV at the poker table (well maybe #3 is +EV at B&M someone should try it).

FYI: I know there are threads running in ss and mh about petitioning to get rid of small stacks. A couple weeks ago there was a thread in mh with someone complaining about short buy in players. I read the thread and posted in it. I reasoned that if he, and others, were complaining that it was -EV for them to have short buy ins playing at their table. I further reasoned that if it was -EV for them that it must be +EV for someone else.

Well I tested out that theory. A few days after that thread I booked my largest wins yet: I did this playing short stack poker in bigger games than I usually play in. That complaining gave me an idea that increased my EV.

All good players learn to adapt and grow under different playing conditions. This is your opportunity to do so.

[StellarWind]

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Am I being irrational? They moved my cheeze and I dont like it.

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Your feelings are real but they don't matter.

A poker player must adapt to reality or suffer the consequences. It's your choice.

[bambi]

A good poker player would never have to ask this question.

Oh and by the way, if i ever play with you i know how much i am buying in for.

[Lawrence Ng]

Learn to adjust.

If you don't like it, play something else.

Lawrence