Average saw flop percentage for the entire table

Hello. I play at Stars .5/1 full ring. The games there have always felt tighter than most people make micro limit out to be. (SSH, for example, talks about games which average over 5 players per flop). I just never see this.

This could be poor table selection by me, but usually, there are only 4 tables or so at this limit to choose from.

So, I am looking at the sessions tab of my PT stats, and I see that out of 58 sessions, the average saw flop percentage for the entire table, averaged across all sessions, is 30.48. The range is 22.67 to 38.66. This means on average, only 3, and sometimes 4, people see the flop, including the blinds.

What is the average for everybody else here? I am curious about that statistic over several different limits and several different sites. Perhaps you can post what limit you play at, what site you play at, and what the ASF average is across all your sessions at that limit.

[ArturiusX]

Stars sucks for full ring. Play party.

Also, voluntarily put into put is different to saw flop, as saw flop includes the BB. I'd say a VPIP average of 35%+ is pretty good table, 45%+ is excellent.

4 people on a flop regularly is very beatable.

[jrz1972]

Party .5/1 6-max ASF = 57.40
Party .5/1 full ASF = 40.24
Paradise .5/1 full ASF = 38.07
Stars .5/1 full ASF = 35.13

I tend to play a lot in the early evening and weekend mornings/afternoons. Relatively few of my hands are in "prime time."

Party is a bit flakey about the use of pokertracker from what I can see. Until I see them come out and say "The use of Pokertracker and GameTime+ is allowed," I will stay away. Perhaps they have come out and said that, I am not 100% sure on that. But last I heard, they were sending out scary emails to some people using PT and GT+. If somebody can post a statement from Party saying that they support the use of PT, I will likely hop on over.

Luckily, on Stars, I make most of my money post flop. There are a lot of weak tights at the tables I sit at, that love making "good folds."

[jrz1972]

Actually, my ASF from Stars is wrong, because PT mixes all the full ring and 6-max games together.

[flo]

Where did you read that they send emails regarding PT and GT+? I only read about Pokeredge, because it somewhat shares HHs across all customers.

There was a thread on the pokertracker forums about it. Nobody has been banned because of it, but several people there were getting nervous.

Here is what one PT user got from a party affiliate, though I will note that in her original email, she lumped PT and PE in one grouping.

[ QUOTE ]
Dear Selma,

PartyPoker strictly prohibits usage of programs that:

1) Automate playing of the hand in any way
2) Participate in collusion or any other cheating methods
3) Use any information which may provide you with an unfair advantage through
cheating

We detect and block programs that fall in any of the above categories. Usage of
such programs may result in poker account closure and funds forfeiture as per
our Terms and Conditions.

Regarding your query on *pokertracker, playerview and poker-edge*, as they fall
in the above categories, usage of the same will result in poker account closure
and funds forfeiture as per our Terms and Conditions.

Regards,

Chaitanya
Investigations Team,
alerts@EmpirePoker.com

[/ QUOTE ]

It seems like it is allowed, and will continue to be, but I am a paranoid mofo, and was hoping to see an email from them saying that they directly allow PT and GT+, like I have seen from Stars.

[flo]

Actually, the mail says it's not allowed? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

There are other emails saying it is allowed. This is just one example where they said it is not allowed. Gathering all the evidence I have seen from both sides, it appears that on balance, it is allowed for now.

There were a few long threads on the pokertracker forums about it.

[flo]

The possibility of getting the account closed for something the pp-stuff isn't certain about is not funny [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
I will play on euro now.