They just keep coming in spades

TMFS9 · #1 07-23-2005, 03:37 PM

Villan is Loose passive before the flop, but quite aggressive post flop. His stats are 41/3/2.5 and was aggressive enough to raise a four handed pot on the turn with an UI AKo when it was clearly not best. Is there a way to play it any differently?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Logik · #2 07-23-2005, 03:42 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

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Preflop: Looks good.

Flop: Villian obviously has the lone A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or a made smaller flush and is either trying to build a pot if he hits, or extract.

Turn: Here's where you messed up. You should have thrown out a bet. That way you get info: If he has a baby flush that he made on the flop, he wouldn't raise you. If he had the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and was trying to extract if/when he hit, then he would.

River: Again, the turn mistake costs you on the river. Is he raising your bet with the 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (highest one that loses to you). I don't think so. He is obviously raising with a spade, and he would probably just call without a paint spade-- and any paint spade beats you.

Poldi · #3 07-23-2005, 03:47 PM

I dont like the river bet. Call it down.

RunDownHouse · #4 07-23-2005, 03:59 PM

Putting 3 bets in on the turn and river combined is pretty bad, and putting 2 in on the river is horrible.

mungpo · #5 07-23-2005, 04:04 PM

Could you please explain your bet on the river?

TMFS9 · #6 07-23-2005, 07:18 PM

The river bet was a failed bet/fold attempt [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], I think there are a lot of possible two pair/sets that would follow up with a turn bet without a spade but would likely check behind on that river card. I think these hands would likely make a crying call and hope to split on the river. I just needed to fold to the raise.

Haupt_234 · #7 07-23-2005, 08:26 PM

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I think there are a lot of possible two pair/sets that would follow up with a turn bet without a spade

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I think most of the players with a 2.5 aggro factor would wait to fill before pumping a pot with 4 spades on the board. Therefore, I think a river check is highly unlikely unless he is on a pure bluff.

Haupt_234

cmwck · #8 07-23-2005, 10:05 PM

What is the rationale behind betting the river? If he'll call with a worse hand, then check-calling is better, since he'll certainly bet a worse hand given your read, and you don't risk getting raised.

cmwck · #9 07-23-2005, 10:09 PM

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The river bet was a failed bet/fold attempt [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], I think there are a lot of possible two pair/sets that would follow up with a turn bet without a spade but would likely check behind on that river card. I think these hands would likely make a crying call and hope to split on the river. I just needed to fold to the raise.

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I think if a non-spade bet the turn, he's betting the river as well.