I hate the way I played this KK hand, thoughts?

Karak567 · #1 07-21-2005, 12:13 AM

Villain who re-raised is a reasonably tight, decent player.
22 dollar buy-in MTT on stars

PokerStars Game #2150660505: Tournament #10124373, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/07/21 - 00:10:35 (ET)
Table '10124373 28' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: XSPORTYX (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: doing time (1810 in chips)
Seat 3: WormMurf (1130 in chips)
Seat 4: allinaNYtime (3105 in chips)
Seat 5: erb4321 (2825 in chips)
Seat 6: cnguyen1280 (1670 in chips)
Seat 7: rick78 (1100 in chips)
Seat 8: stickboy28 (1200 in chips)
Seat 9: fredonia35 (1570 in chips)
allinaNYtime: posts small blind 25
erb4321: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erb4321 [Kd Kc]
cnguyen1280: folds
rick78: folds
stickboy28: folds
fredonia35: raises 50 to 100
XSPORTYX: raises 150 to 250
doing time: folds
WormMurf: folds
allinaNYtime: folds
erb4321: raises 500 to 750
fredonia35: folds
XSPORTYX: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [7s 5c 9c]
erb4321: bets 750
XSPORTYX: folds
erb4321 collected 1625 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1625 | Rake 0
Board [7s 5c 9c]
Seat 1: XSPORTYX folded on the Flop
Seat 2: doing time folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: WormMurf (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: allinaNYtime (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: erb4321 (big blind) collected (1625)
Seat 6: cnguyen1280 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rick78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: stickboy28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: fredonia35 folded before Flop

TheTimeIsUp · #2 07-21-2005, 12:14 AM

Looks fine to me. What do you hate about it?

All I can think of is to bet a tad more on the flop.

Karak567 · #3 07-21-2005, 12:15 AM

I put him all in on the flop.

Well I think the opposing player had a "read" on me of me being kind of LAG... I had been on a wild streak of cards and had been raising and re-raising a lot pre-flop and getting little to no action until he pushed on me with AQ, I had AK, he sucked out (thus him still in and my smaller chip stack).

So I thought maybe if I just pushed overtop he would think I was being LAG and call with what I believe is AK.

TheTimeIsUp · #4 07-21-2005, 12:16 AM

My bad.

Don't give yourself a hard time on this one. You played it fine.

ClaytonN · #5 07-21-2005, 12:16 AM

With fredonia still in the hand I like a larger reraise to shut him out, something in the 850-950 range.

And, I'd bet out a little more on the flop, like 2/3 the pot. Other than that it looks fine. You didn't really make any errors beyond the nitpicky things.

Lloyd · #6 07-21-2005, 12:18 AM

I don't see what else you could do. You want to get heads up pre-flop so the raise is correct. You made about a 1/2 pot size bet on the flop. This is a standard continuation size bet that you'd make here with a hand like AK, so it's good to make it with KK as well. If you check the flop and he has overs he'll most certainly check unless he has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Then what happens if an Ace, [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or 6 comes. The hand gets much more difficult. Hands like AA and KK don't often when huge pots so I think this was a good pick up with the pre-flop dead money and the call of your raise.

ClaytonN · #7 07-21-2005, 12:20 AM

I changed my mind. Didn't notice stack sizes. Silly me for being tired.

I really like a reraise all-in, because your implied odds suck on the flop against his likely holdings. Hands like QQ-TT are going to get the money in most of the time anyways after the flop, but you want to get hands like AK, KQ, KJ, and smaller pocket pairs to call you.

Basically, jamming preflop gets you players that are going to call off all of their chips with similar hands that will call largish raises and play weak-tight postflop unless hitting nuts.

Lloyd · #8 07-21-2005, 12:31 AM

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I changed my mind. Didn't notice stack sizes. Silly me for being tired.

I really like a reraise all-in, because your implied odds suck on the flop against his likely holdings. Hands like QQ-TT are going to get the money in most of the time anyways after the flop, but you want to get hands like AK, KQ, KJ, and smaller pocket pairs to call you.

Basically, jamming preflop gets you players that are going to call off all of their chips with similar hands that will call largish raises and play weak-tight postflop unless hitting nuts.

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Good points and I think I agree. With a re-raise we've got to put him on a decent hand - AA-TT, AK. I don't see these hands folding to a push (maybe TT but not the others).

TheTimeIsUp · #9 07-21-2005, 12:33 AM

I think you guys are being results oriented. Remeber, he doesn't even know if he is going to call for 500 more.

Lloyd · #10 07-21-2005, 12:37 AM

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I think you guys are being results oriented. Remeber, he doesn't even know if he is going to call for 500 more.

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I don't think I am. I'm thinking that he has to have a decent hand to re-raise. He'd be getting 1.5 to 1 odds and if he has a hand like JJ or QQ he'll probably put us on AK with the overbet. But at the end of the day, I don't think it makes a huge difference.