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Old 07-12-2005, 11:58 PM
bruce bruce is offline
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Default Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

WSOP ME second level with 50/100 blinds. All fold to me
and I open raise to 300 on button with K3clubs. Small blind calls and big blind folds. We both have around 10000
in chips.

Small blind is Phil Hellmuth and he had arrived at table
10 minutes earlier in his customary late manner. I have
no read on Phil aside from what I have heard about him. Last time I played against him was 15 years ago in a limit
game at the Commerce Club.

Flop comes 4c 4s 7h. I bet 400 and Phil calls

Turn 4c 4s 7h 8s. Phil checks and I bet 800. He
calls.

River 4c 4s 7h 8s 2h

Phil checks. What is my play?

Comments appreciated.

Bruce
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

Lean over and smack him in the face. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:08 AM
locutus2002 locutus2002 is offline
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

It doesn't look like he's going to let go of the best hand.

If your standard bet is 1/2 the pot for most rounds ATF, then it would be difficult to bet more here and be credible. I think a 4 or 8 bets 1/2 the pot and I think he'll look u up.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

Great, no wonderful idea, but won't help my current dilemna.

LoL.

Bruce
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:24 AM
sirtemple sirtemple is offline
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

You could push.

He'd know you were stealing it, but I don't think he'd call. He'd have to risk his entire life on the hand. against anyone else, this idea sucks, but PH likes to laydown hands.

100% sure he won't call w/o trips or better.
90% sure he'll need the straight or better to call

If you don't think he has the goods a push should work.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

[ QUOTE ]
Turn 4c 4s 7h 8s. Phil checks and I check

[/ QUOTE ] fyp

You tried to steal and you were unsuccessful. Cut your losses and quit spewing chips.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

I had only played with him for 10 minutes. I was unaware
at the time of this hand how weak tight he is initially.
The only information I had readily available was that my
opponent was Phil Hellmuth. And of course Phil informed
everyone at the table that he had won 9 bracelets and won
the big one once. I had to make an intelligent decision
based on his reputation and what I had observed in the previous 10 minutes.

Bruce
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

I fire a third barrel cause he probably has A-x with the x not being paired. Bet strong here, and hope he folds. He's Phil Hellmuth, he hates losing chips. If he calls with A high or a pair good for him.
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:17 AM
locutus2002 locutus2002 is offline
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Default Re: Stealing against Phil Hellmuth in WSOP

He either thinks he's ahead or knows he's ahead when he calls the turn.

In either case the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is unlikely to have helped you so he probably still thinks he's ahead or knows he's ahead.

I think he'll go with his read and call you down even if he has a naked ace. Other cases are much easier.
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