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Old 07-10-2005, 02:46 PM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

This question was derived from a situation here:

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...amp;ucat=&

There are 25 players remaining in this limit event. Blinds are 2k/3k. You have a chip stack of 25k and posted 3k in the BB.

Everyone folds to Daniel Negreanu who limps in from the SB. He currently has 5k remaining.

What hands do you put him on?
What hands do you think he would raise with?
What percentage of hands do you raise his small blind with?
How much equity do you think DN is willing to sacrifice by folding to see another free round?
How much more aggressive should you be in this situation facing Daniel instead of an average-skilled player?
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Old 07-10-2005, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

If it was a bad player, I assume he's got nothing.

If it's a good player, I assume he's slowplaying a monster.

If it's DN, I assume he's thinking at a level beyond me and probably has nothing, but wants me to think he's slowplaying a monster.

Seriously, I put him either a bottom 20% hand or a top 20% hand. A hand so bad he doesn't want to put much money in it unless it hits the flop, or a hand so good he desperately wants me to raise.
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Old 07-10-2005, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

youve missed the entire point of my question.
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Old 07-10-2005, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

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youve missed the entire point of my question.

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Which was?
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:21 PM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

the point of the question is daniel negreanu isnt going to want to gamble his stack and life of tournament on many hands with correct pot equity to go allin with. as a result, id like to know what proper game theory states is the correct frequency of raising with below average hands when he limps here.

i think this question is very important to tournament strategy and merits discussion. i dont know if people dont bother to take a crack at this because the question is over their heads or because they dont realize its importance. i really just dont get you guys anymore.
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:22 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

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This question was derived from a situation here:

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...amp;ucat=&

There are 25 players remaining in this limit event. Blinds are 2k/3k. You have a chip stack of 25k and posted 3k in the BB.

Everyone folds to Daniel Negreanu who limps in from the SB. He currently has 5k remaining.

What hands do you put him on?
What hands do you think he would raise with?
What percentage of hands do you raise his small blind with?
How much equity do you think DN is willing to sacrifice by folding to see another free round?
How much more aggressive should you be in this situation facing Daniel instead of an average-skilled player?

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wrong forum.
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

yah you are probably right, i thought it would hold interest here since its a WSOP tournament.
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

My take would be:

Daniel would understand that if he did raise, you would be getting 3 to 1 on your call, and so youd pretty much call with almost any two cards.

My guess would be he would raise you with an above average hand(to showdown) but call with something below average.

if you raise him, mes getting the same 3 to 1 price on his call. I can't see there would be many hands he could fold for that price. If he was really considering a fold as an option, would he even complete?
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:35 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

you didnt calculate his 2k, making his odds 11:5.
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: DN limps in from the SB WSOP limit event (Strategy Content)

ok, so the only thing hes afraid of is a hand thats worse than 30/70 correct? there are many more hands better than 70/30 I think than not.

Edit: It's apparant Daniel sees the value in simply folding the SB as I stated he might earlier. Your scenario is contingent that there is a poosability daniel would fold his sb to a raise, which we dont really know.
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