Am I reasoning correct here or just a lucky fool

DMACM · #1 06-28-2005, 02:38 AM

What made this hand interesting was the 2 opponents in the hand with me. One was your typical solid rock, the other was a complete maniac. Maniac doesnt do the kid justice as he had pure bluffed 2 flops for massive overbets with 6 high and 72o semibluffing his 4 flush into a preflop raiser for a reraise. He was basically out of his mind and braggin about the 2k in his account etc. My thinking in this hand and the reason that I played it the way I did was that the rock had an overpair and the maniac had nothing but both were almost certainly getting it all in on the flop. Since I felt I had 12 good outs I figured I should come along for the ride. Afterwards the rock gave me a hard time about the way I played the hand saying he expected more from "12/3"-mustve had PT. He said I shouldve pushed the flop and I think he was probably right however him being in the hand even with a better hand then mine was part of my 1/3 implied odds to the flush which would help me if maniac had some small pair which was very unlikely. Habitually I fold in this spot but as I think about it now I think the best play was to push. The converter messed up the size of the pot and the actoin on the flop so I posted it unconverted underneath. thx for looking. What basically happened is the 3 of us got all in on the flop after the rock raised all in and maniac and I called.

UTG+1 rock
UTG+2 maniac

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

BB ($10.5)
UTG ($152.25)
UTG+1 ($62.9)
UTG+2 ($56)
MP1 ($275.93)
MP2 ($49)
MP3 ($16.3)
Hero ($181.9)
Button ($50.8)
SB ($154.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, UTG+2 calls $3, 3 folds, Hero calls $3, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $9, UTG+2 raises to $25, Hero calls $25, Hero calls $34.90.

Turn: ($103.65) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

River: ($103.65) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: $103.65

***** Hand History for Game 2275528730 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, June 28, 02:20:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 37362 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: hundo1 ( $10.5 )
Seat 2: KidCrush ( $152.25 )
Seat 3: ThunderGod62 ( $62.9 )
Seat 4: kschulz ( $56 )
Seat 5: jrbeckman ( $275.93 )
Seat 6: IHaveNthing ( $49 )
Seat 7: CYA1234 ( $16.3 )
Seat 10: azzkikr62 ( $154.35 )
Seat 8: SitInBackRow ( $181.9 )
Seat 9: al_coholic1 ( $50.8 )
azzkikr62 posts small blind [$0.25].
hundo1 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SitInBackRow [ Tc Ac ]
KidCrush folds.
ThunderGod62 raises [$3].
>You have options at Table 37519 Table!.
kschulz calls [$3].
jrbeckman folds.
IHaveNthing folds.
CYA1234 folds.
SitInBackRow calls [$3].
al_coholic1 folds.
azzkikr62 folds.
hundo1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 9c, 4d ]
>You have options at Table 37304 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36997 Table!.
ThunderGod62 bets [$9].
kschulz raises [$25].
SitInBackRow calls [$25].
ThunderGod62 is all-In [$50.9]
kschulz is all-In [$28]
SitInBackRow calls [$34.9].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
ThunderGod62: don't like the cold cal much
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
kschulz shows [ 9s, 7s ] two pairs, nines and fours.
SitInBackRow shows [ Tc, Ac ] two pairs, aces and fours.
ThunderGod62 doesn't show [ Qh, Qd ] two pairs, queens and fours.
SitInBackRow wins $13.8 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and fours.
SitInBackRow wins $165.75 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and fours.

xorbie · #2 06-28-2005, 02:47 AM

Which is the maniac, which is rock?

DMACM · #3 06-28-2005, 02:52 AM

Sorry UTG+1 is the rock which is why I figured he had a premium hand when he led out on the flop

UTG+2 was the maniac.

xorbie · #4 06-28-2005, 04:00 AM

In that case PF is probably not great and flop is super.

swolfe · #5 06-28-2005, 10:18 AM

yuck

meow_meow · #6 06-28-2005, 10:33 AM

Rock UTG+1 makes it 6xbb, you call in CO with ATs....

Flop action is ok, I probably play the same way if the board isn't paired. You've only got 39% equity, which isn't much of an edge in a 3-way pot.

DMACM · #7 06-28-2005, 11:45 AM

The call preflop was because of the maniac as well. In ordinary circumstances I do not even call a min raise with AQs from a tight player. I can not overemphasize the insane way the maniac was playing. After the game he moved up to 2000NL mustve been blowing off steam down with us.

xorbie · #8 06-28-2005, 04:43 PM

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Rock UTG+1 makes it 6xbb, you call in CO with ATs....

Flop action is ok, I probably play the same way if the board isn't paired. You've only got 39% equity, which isn't much of an edge in a 3-way pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's a 6% overlay with lots of dead money in the pot. How is that not much of an edge?