Paired Ace vs. PFR OOP

rjamesdunn · #1 06-28-2005, 01:54 PM

Just read the "Typical Situation" post from this week's digest (thanks a ton for that service!), and here's an actual hand. I checked intending to c/r the PFR. In retrospect, I probably should have bet, hoping for a raise to clear the field, but here we are. Now what? What if I had bet and he raised?

Villain was 18/4/1.38 over 50 hands. Does your answer change if he's completely unknown?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 raises, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero ?

SmileyEH · #2 06-28-2005, 01:56 PM

Just raise preflop next time. Postflop decisions will be much much easier.

-SmileyEH

soweak. · #3 06-28-2005, 02:01 PM

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Just read the "Typical Situation" post from this week's digest (thanks a ton for that service!), and here's an actual hand. I checked intending to c/r the PFR. In retrospect, I probably should have bet, hoping for a raise to clear the field, but here we are. Now what? What if I had bet and he raised?

Villain was 18/4/1.38 over 50 hands. Does your answer change if he's completely unknown?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 raises, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero ?

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Chuck it. MP1 leads into a PFR who is not overly aggressive, and it's two bets back to you. Most likely we are up against AQ or AK and in that case we are drawing to two clean outs (J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is tainted). PFR doesn't seem out of line, and you have bad position on the turn in a likely 3-handed pot.

against an unknown I would play the same way. I would only 3-bet someone who is LAGgy, and I would need a read on the person in between us.

I would also either fold pre-flop AJo or raise it depending on table condition, leaning heavier on folding with no table reads.

mtdoak · #4 06-28-2005, 02:08 PM

Let me preface this post with a small piece of on AJ: In your typical small stakes game, its safe (and right) to raise it preflop. However, you need to play this hand with caution, esp. if you have a LP TAG cold calling two bets.

That being said, raising PF makes this hand much easier. Even how you played it I'm leading the flop. There's alot of different combos your ahead of right now from those two, and alot your behind to. Lead the flop and re-eval if its two bets back to you.

rjamesdunn · #5 06-28-2005, 02:09 PM

I think I can agree with this. Ironically, I just this morning ran across the WWJR (What would Jesus raise?) thread. Perhaps this is a sign from the Almighty that I should start being more agressive with AJo. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

thejameser · #6 06-28-2005, 02:11 PM

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Just raise preflop next time. Postflop decisions will be much much easier.

-SmileyEH

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maybe not much easier, but you will have an idea of where you are at and hopefully you would achieve limiting the field to the flop(which is important for a hand like AJo which really only has high card potential; lacking suitedness/connectedness the other two factors of making a quality starting hand, anyway i digress)and if reraised you know who to be wary of and depending on the flop texture play accordingly. I bet out here, but this is what I HATE about AJo esp. OOP, because AK, AQ completely dominate you. depending on the game, if it is particularly tough or against a tough opponents raise, i fold AJo in EP.

QTip · #7 06-28-2005, 02:17 PM

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I think I can agree with this. Ironically, I just this morning ran across the WWJR (What would Jesus raise?) thread. Perhaps this is a sign from the Almighty that I should start being more agressive with AJo. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I can't believe I missed that post! Thanks for linking!