I got ripped for this, was I out of line.

[lil feller]

Online 5/10

The Cast:

UTG is a ABC type TAG. He reads hands, plays accordingly, but has no imagination, he's just solid.

C/O is your typical maniac, in every sense of the word. I've seen PF 3bets w/ 79o, and river bluff raises with hands that didn't even flop a draw. The blinds are a bit weak/tight.

UTG raises. C/O 3 bets. I cold-cap w/ 99. SB mucks, BB calls, UTG calls.

The rest of the hand really doesn't matter, its preflop that i'm interested in. I figured the UTG raise to be your standard TAG raising hands. AJ-AK, KQ, or TT-AA. The 3 bet could be anything. I thought my hand had too much value to fold, and capping gave me a chance to potentially isolate the maniac. Am I off base here? Should I have folded, or just called?

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[ihardlyknowher]

I say cap it up. If CO is as crazy as you say, there is a chance he has 2 undercards. Essentially, you might be getting 2:1 on a coinflip. Also, you will pretty easily be able to tell if UTG has you beat. If 2 or more overcards flop, I might even check/call the maniac all the way down (obviously not if UTG is sticking around).

[sy_or_bust]

You aren't isolating anyone with this raise. UTG almost always has a better hand, and you're often dominated. I'm not a big fan of playing in this pot, especially since any flop can play out "UTG bets, CO raises" and you're unhappy already.

[imported_leader]

Basic Poker stove results. I'll let you judge for yourself because I have to go to sleep.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 40.0912 % 39.64% 00.45% { TT+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 18.1083 % 17.57% 00.54% { random }
Hand 3: 41.8005 % 41.61% 00.19% { 99 }

[Moneyline]

Hmmm... creative play, and I like your thought process here, but I still think folding is the better play. After the cap, the tight player will still call with any pair, as he/she has enough implied odds to try to flop a set. AK isn't going anywhere either, and two big suited cards may stick around as well. On the flop, the pot will be so big that you'll have a bitch of a time getting the solid player to fold any sort of a hand or draw.

***However, if you've noticed the UTG raiser has a tendency to fold strong hands when there is a lot of action preflop, then I think you made a great play by raising. That said, I wouldn't make this raise unless I knew for sure UTG was too tight in these situations.

[sy_or_bust]

[ QUOTE ]
Basic Poker stove results. I'll let you judge for yourself because I have to go to sleep.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 40.0912 % 39.64% 00.45% { TT+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 18.1083 % 17.57% 00.54% { random }
Hand 3: 41.8005 % 41.61% 00.19% { 99 }

[/ QUOTE ]

This doesn't tell the story though. All overcards are very scary, CO will bet unpredictably, and UTG will have at least 2 overs. This postflop will be very difficult to play, and not necessarily profitable in many situations, IMO.

[ihardlyknowher]

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any flop can play out "UTG bets, CO raises" and you're unhappy already.

[/ QUOTE ]

If we cap and UTG leads, do we have an easy fold?

[imported_leader]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Basic Poker stove results. I'll let you judge for yourself because I have to go to sleep.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 40.0912 % 39.64% 00.45% { TT+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 18.1083 % 17.57% 00.54% { random }
Hand 3: 41.8005 % 41.61% 00.19% { 99 }

[/ QUOTE ]

This doesn't tell the story though. All overcards are very scary, CO will bet unpredictably, and UTG will have at least 2 overs. This postflop will be very difficult to play, and not necessarily profitable in many situations, IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]

On the other hand, he may fold the following to a PF cap: KQo, ATs, AJo. I agree the numbers aren't the whole story.

[Lurkmaster Flex]

This is close either way, you shouldn't get ripped for it. Too many variables to decide whether it's solidly +EV or not, but if it isn't it isnt real bad.

[brick]

I think you got ripped for it because you either turned or rivered a 9.
Did you?