lurker request; DERB update!

[VBM]

title says it all; that was a fun thread to watch people share opinions on. any subsequent observations on the subject?

[The Truth]

I was also wondering what the final conclusions were

[bobdibble]

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I was also wondering what the final conclusions were

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Rumor has it that he just finished 12th in the 2500 LHE event.

DERB finishes 12th.

[1800GAMBLER]

He just lost $1000 to me, other than that i have no idea. He's playing mostly short handed now, which may give him a chance to turn into a small winner but i doubt it since there are also a lot of great players multitabling short handed 30/60.

[teddyFBI]

I also followed that thread, but with only tepid interest because I didn't play 30/60 at the time...now I do, however, and have been datamining a LOT since mid-May, and was excited to actually have my own DB in which I could check his stats.

What would you know: he's among the top 10 winners in EACH of the 2 DBs I've been mining with, and each DB has over 1,000 players. I don't know what to say...something sounds very, very fishy about this whole thing. I'm an anti-conspiracy theorist and would tend to simply call him a solid player who's probably running very well, if it weren't for those god-awful stats of his: 30/18.

Add to that the info from another thread stating that he was frequently seen sitting at a table with TWO other players from his same Eastern European location...
I dunno...

[Lestat]

Those stats are not all that horrific if he's playing short-handed.

I for one, am out of the loop and have no idea who you guys are talking about. I play the 30-60 and know of several players who seem to out-preform their stats. If anyone would care to PM me with this guy's screen name, I'd be very interested. I've got a pretty big database myself and would like to look him up.

[mosta]

big previous thread


me: nice cheating. [i'm referring to bitchass anti-poker for using all in protection on his tough decision]
Lojzka: [he smiles out of nowhere, he hasn't been involved in a hand recently]
me: wow, you speak lojzka?
Random player, probably 2+2: he cheats too
me: why do you think that?
Random Player, 2+2: with his buddies d=from slovenia

[teddyFBI]

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Those stats are not all that horrific if he's playing short-handed.


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For the record, those stats are ALL full-ring game -- i don't import any hands with < 9 players.

[YoureToast]

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... if it weren't for those god-awful stats of his: 30/18.



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it continues to amaze me that some of the seemingly best 2+2ers fail to understand that optimal limit hold 'em poker requires a greater than 25 vpip......"MOST" of the winners play a solid style, like I do -- because most of us are incapable of playing a more difficult aggressive style....However, although I can't prove it, I am almost 100% certain that the best limit hold em players in the world have a vpip of >25 and probably > 30.

[mach3]

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it continues to amaze me that some of the seemingly best 2+2ers fail to understand that optimal limit hold 'em poker requires a greater than 25 vpip

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I think you are partially correct, but in a full ring game at PP 30/60, a 30% VPIP is not a long term winner. You simply don't see as many donkish plays, unless no one has taken control of a hand or someone goes on tilt.

When the DERB thread first popped up, I played 30/60 but didn't have any idea who they were talking about. When I finally did get his name, I hadn't played many hands with him. I do pay attention when I sit w/ him now and some of the stuff he pulls is amazing. Again it's not enough to say 'something is up', but the DERB nickname really sticks from what I've seen. He doesn't strike me as a particularly strong postflop player. What amazes me, is that my WORST stretches in this game have come when I BARELY get out of line w/ the VPIP and CCing, something DERB routinely does. You can get hammered, stepping ever so slightly over that line, yet he *appears* to do it w/ impunity.