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Old 06-20-2005, 12:42 PM
Unarmed Unarmed is offline
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Default $109s - Level 4 PVS

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t905)
UTG+1 (t1235)
MP1 (t1175)
MP2 (t678)
CO (t1425)
Button (t2272)
SB (t1470)
Hero (t840)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls t100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t840 (All-In)</font>
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:48 PM
Apathy Apathy is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

This is an impossible question to give a correct answer too, very opponent and situation dependant. By this point in the tourney you should be able to have a really good idea how often you get called here. To make a push correct you need a LOT of folding equity though since your hand will rarely win in a showdown.

I see limp calls from A-9o and K-10 too much to do this.
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:50 PM
Luminous Mist Luminous Mist is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

This would depend entirely on the CO, wouldn't it?

What do you know about him already?

If you know nothing, I guess you can get ready to put one of the two down in your notes:

level 4: limp/calls from CO with t1425
level 4: limp/fold to t840 BB with a t1425 stack

Also, what about just betting out most flops instead?

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Old 06-20-2005, 12:51 PM
deathpotato deathpotato is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

I don't like it unless you have a good read. You aren't desperate for chips with 8.5BB, and open-limping in late position is something people often seem to do with monsters. On the plus side, CO's stack makes it somewhat less likely for him to call. Unless CO is a habitual limp-folder, I don't see any reason to make this play, and I think you're getting called here far too much for it to be profitable.
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:59 PM
poindexter poindexter is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

Very bad play. your in the BB so your bluff is less believable. Why not incorporate a little patience into your game and wait to reraise where you actually have a better hand.
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:59 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

This used to be a slightly decent move to do *once in a while* before the 75/150 limit.

These days, you've got more room and everybody and their mother is calling these with trash, so why bother?
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:01 PM
Unarmed Unarmed is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

I have no reads except that Lucy Liu has a tight body. (GF was watching Charlie's Angels)
There's 250 in the pot, I have 840.
CO has 14BB.
I really don't think I need a read here.

BTW, if this is not a good spot for a PVS, then the PVS is dead, and that makes me sad. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:03 PM
Unarmed Unarmed is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

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so why bother?

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Because there's 250 chips there and I would like to add them to my stack. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
While giving me additional time to wait for a decent hand, the 150 level also makes people less likely to go buckwild at Level 4 and call a push. So there's two opposing forces there IMO.
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:12 PM
vinyard vinyard is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

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These days, you've got more room and everybody and their mother is calling these with trash, so why bother?

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I couldn't agree more. I liked the PVS play a bunch with the old blind structure but it seems to make more sense now to let the donks blow themselves up.
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:22 PM
Bigwig Bigwig is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Level 4 PVS

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This is an impossible question to give a correct answer too, very opponent and situation dependant. By this point in the tourney you should be able to have a really good idea how often you get called here. To make a push correct you need a LOT of folding equity though since your hand will rarely win in a showdown.

I see limp calls from A-9o and K-10 too much to do this.

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What Apathy said.

I hate agreeing with Canadians, especially since I date one.

* FYI, I'm not dating Apathy.
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