Chopping the blinds at hollywood park...

[SNOWBALL138]

I'm playing 3/6 LHE at hollywood park, and its folded around to me in the SB. I look down at a bad offsuit jack, and ask BB if she wants to chop. She quickly agrees. Dealer grabs my sb, and I am totally shocked. "wtf?"

Dealer explains that she is just taking the drop. Doesn't this negate the whole point of chopping? I could have just folded with the same result...

I always thought that most cardrooms had a "no flop, no drop" policy. Is this common?

[psyduck]

that's ridiculous. call the floorman over and if it's the actual rule, leave the stupidest casino on earth and find another one..

seriously, there's the standard rake, plus the expected toke. those motherfuckers make enough as it is

[Rick Nebiolo]

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that's ridiculous. call the floorman over and if it's the actual rule, leave the stupidest casino on earth and find another one..

seriously, there's the standard rake, plus the expected toke. those motherfuckers make enough as it is

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This is standard all throughout LA (more or less because of the law) and in some places it used to be worse (up until a year or so ago the Commerce would take the full $3 drop + $1 jackpot in a 3/6 game if someone open raised and the blinds folded!).

~ Rick

[fimbulwinter]

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that's ridiculous. call the floorman over and if it's the actual rule, leave the stupidest casino on earth and find another one..

seriously, there's the standard rake, plus the expected toke. those motherfuckers make enough as it is

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This is standard all throughout LA (more or less because of the law) and in some places it used to be worse (up until a year or so ago the Commerce would take the full $3 drop + $1 jackpot in a 3/6 game if someone open raised and the blinds folded!).

~ Rick

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care to give a justification to us LA players why the LA rake is so murderous compared to that in the rest of the country? simple economics? sunshine tax?

a 10% to $4 NL game would be fantastic, but i doubt it will ever happen in LA.

fim

[MuckerFish]

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that's ridiculous. call the floorman over and if it's the actual rule, leave the stupidest casino on earth and find another one..

seriously, there's the standard rake, plus the expected toke. those motherfuckers make enough as it is

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This is standard all throughout LA (more or less because of the law) and in some places it used to be worse (up until a year or so ago the Commerce would take the full $3 drop + $1 jackpot in a 3/6 game if someone open raised and the blinds folded!).

~ Rick

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You're telling me there's a 3/6 game somewhere in the world where someone opens for a raise and everyone else folds? I gotta call bulls***t on this one!

[Rick Nebiolo]

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care to give a justification to us LA players why the LA rake is so murderous compared to that in the rest of the country? simple economics? sunshine tax? - a 10% to $4 NL game would be fantastic, but i doubt it will ever happen in LA. fim

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I've worked in the card club industry in LA and have fought against the front load (taking full drop on small pots) of the drop/rake, at times successfully. I'm multi-tabling right now but go to the archives and search using my name and +rake for long threads on the subject. Also use Google's advanced Group Search to search rec.gambling.poker. I've probably written more about this than anyone on the planet [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Regards,

Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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You're telling me there's a 3/6 game somewhere in the world where someone opens for a raise and everyone else folds? I gotta call bulls***t on this one!

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Not "there is", "there was".

About three years ago I did a detailed survey of the exact procedures each LA card club used to take drop (house and jackpot). As a result of this survey I persuaded the Bike to go back to two blinds and stop taking jackpot drop on no flop (they do take a "modified drop" on no flop). I was also able to convince them to take less than any other LA club on no flop in the NL and 20/40 stud/8 games. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Regards,

Rick

[Klepton]

you guys need to relax, this is normal

also i'd take a 10 dollar rake with the type of players we play against in LA, go to vegas and try to get it 5-ways capped on the turn.

[fimbulwinter]

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care to give a justification to us LA players why the LA rake is so murderous compared to that in the rest of the country? simple economics? sunshine tax? - a 10% to $4 NL game would be fantastic, but i doubt it will ever happen in LA. fim

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I've worked in the card club industry in LA and have fought against the front load (taking full drop on small pots) of the drop/rake, at times successfully. I'm multi-tabling right now but go to the archives and search using my name and +rake for long threads on the subject. Also use Google's advanced Group Search to search rec.gambling.poker. I've probably written more about this than anyone on the planet [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Regards,

Rick

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I read your back stuff and really appreciate what you're doing here. if the NL games weren't so ridiculously good in LA i doubt they'd be beatable with a 1BB+ pig on the table every hand. Its scary thinking that the house takes a full buyin off the table every hour in the 200 game.

i think that what's going on now in LA games is akin to dumping waste in your own backyard. Right now it's easy living and people can't wait to sit, but once those people (particularly those people my age who are above their heads playing even 100NL) lose a grand, they're gone for good. I think it will take people like yourself arguing for the pseudo-progressive rakes and no jackpot drop (which is complete unfair taxation at a NL table) to keep those people who fancy themselves NL players close enough to breakeven to keep the games going. even the dollar a hand jackpot is 30 dollars an hour that is lost to limit players and could mean the difference between the young ipod wearers breaking even and keeping the games going or leaving for other sources of entertainment.

thanks

fim

[Josh W]

Rick, Rick, Rick....

You missed it. MuckerFish wasn't commenting on the rake. He's just saying that there is NO WAY in a 3-6 game could an openraise steal the blinds. There'd be at least 14 players coming along for the ride.

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Josh