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#1
06-12-2005, 08:37 PM
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Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
The preflop limp here was accidental although ATs isn't always an UTG raise anyway. No reads. The flop was a whiffed check/raise attempt.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $2. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls. Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks. Turn: (3.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero.... 
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#2
06-12-2005, 08:42 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
Hero reraises.
You're not up against a set, or against 2 pair. You're not up against an overpair, based upon the check-through on the flop. So you're against a straight or flush draw, or both. Reraise.
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#3
06-12-2005, 08:53 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
I don't like the attempt at the flop checkraise, with only 2 opponents. Just bet it out. On the turn, I would 3bet and fold to a cap. Looks like this guy either is either very good or very marginal.
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#5
06-12-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
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You're not up against a set. [/ QUOTE ] I hate seeing monsters as much as the next guy, but how sure are we that he's not holding 77? That said, I think we have to reraise here too. I've seen players at Party 2/4 check through a flop with a set or two pair thinking that they're putting a big move on the field, but it's rare enough to ignore it.
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#6
06-12-2005, 09:01 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
The only other hand that villain is likely to play like this is AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I'm taking the safe road here and calling down.
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#7
06-12-2005, 09:01 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
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[ QUOTE ] You're not up against a set. [/ QUOTE ] I hate seeing monsters as much as the next guy, but how sure are we that he's not holding 77? That said, I think we have to reraise here too. I've seen players at Party 2/4 check through a flop with a set or two pair thinking that they're putting a big move on the field, but it's rare enough to ignore it. [/ QUOTE ] Villain ought to be betting this flop with 77 considering the preflop raise...
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#8
06-12-2005, 09:02 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
Villain could easily check behind an overpair here (more likely AA or KK since there are fewer overcards to fear), or a monster like TT. The flop is raggedy, he's up against a poster and an UTG limper, he might think he's getting a couple of folds and can do better in this small pot to instead induce a bluff/let someone make a pair and give him action (not necessarily a bad play given that someone who does make a decent pair will bet and often call down, losing 3BB's when they might have folded the flop, or a chance to get at least 1BB if someone bluffs a hopeless hand).
I doubt the straight draw a bit because he raised preflop, but big suited cards are possible, although I think villain would often bet those on this raggedy flop. So I think it's an overpair (or possibly something like 99, although I think if he's going to raise 99 on this turn, he'd bet the flop 100% of the time) or a flush draw with overcards. I think I'd call, as I want to see a showdown given this somewhat unusual play and I'd hate to reraise, get capped, and have to pay again on the river, or else save a bet and fold on the river but risk losing a pot to an overaggressive bluffer. I think my river plan is to check-raise any improvement, check-call any non-diamond, and I guess call a diamond too, but I don't know about that. With a read I'd consider betting a river diamond, but without I have no idea what I'm up against or what he's likely to do, so I prefer seeing a showdown. Too bad you didn't raise preflop, this might be a little easier. Maybe.
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#9
06-12-2005, 09:50 PM
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Strange Thought...
after whiffing on the flop (i think a flop c/r is a good choice), and seeing a relatively safe turn card blank...does anyone think that check/call the turn may be a decent choice?
my thinking (which may be totally off) is that since the pot is quite small, and our hand is almost always good here (after a PFR checks through that flop 3handed, we are usually not up against an over pair, but more likely an underpair or two overcards) villain is making a mistake to bet...so we would check/call the turn and bet the river... does the presence of the third player make this a terrible line? what about HU with the PFR? is thinking just totally flawed? normally i play this hand just as hero did (i would probably call down as we still beat hands like A7/88/99 and flush/straight draws)...
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#10
06-12-2005, 09:53 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: a decision with ATs and TPTK
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You're not up against a set. [/ QUOTE ] I hate seeing monsters as much as the next guy, but how sure are we that he's not holding 77? [/ QUOTE ] Villain ought to be betting this flop with 77 considering the preflop raise... [/ QUOTE ] I would and you would, but my question was more about how sure we are that the villain would.
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