Am I a donk?

4T25Q85 · #1 06-08-2005, 11:39 PM

Super Weekday tourney: 280 entered, 170 left, first hour, no reads because Im lurking this site and not paying attention.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t1400)
MP1 (t2520)
MP2 (t1845)
MP3 (t875)
CO (t2200)
Hero (t1110)
SB (t1060)
BB (t975)
UTG (t680)
UTG+1 (t475)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, UTG+2 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP3 calls t30, CO calls t30, Hero raises to t90, 1 fold, BB calls t60, UTG calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60, UTG+2 calls t60, MP1 calls t60, MP3 calls t60, CO calls t60.

Flop: (t735) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets t300, MP1 folds, MP3 raises to t785 (All-In), CO folds, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t485.

Turn: (t2305) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2305) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2305

for some reason i was uber scared of a set from someone, should i have pushed this early in a tourney.

Pity me, pity my donkishness. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

By the way, where's the **official party wednesday** thread? I was looking forward to that tonight. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

TexTiger · #2 06-09-2005, 12:38 AM

You put in too small a raise from the button with 6 limpers. The pot is at 225, you raised it only by 60, giving the UTG at least 5-1 to call, assuming the blinds fold, which is good enough for anything worth limping with. This will give the limpers ahead the right odds to call with almost anything.

You should have raised it up to about 200-300 if you really wanted to play, but with that many people behind you, there's a good chance you are small dog to at least one hand, maybe more, and possibly dominated by an AQ from early position. Best case scenario is you have the highest Ax and everyone else is playing Ax<J, and Jx and worse hoping for monster flop on a cheap hand, but that's unlikely. Raise it big and hope to thin the field, or call it and hope for a complete/check, and at least 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the flop. Anything else be really careful.

TT

GoldenHorde · #3 06-09-2005, 12:38 AM

I'm a much bigger fan of limping behind in that spot but if you are going to raise you need to make a REAL raise pop it up to 150 or more raising to 90 accomplishes nothing.

yabastid · #4 06-09-2005, 01:50 AM

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You put in too small a raise from the button with 6 limpers. The pot is at 225, you raised it only by 60, giving the UTG at least 5-1 to call, assuming the blinds fold, which is good enough for anything worth limping with. This will give the limpers ahead the right odds to call with almost anything.

You should have raised it up to about 200-300 if you really wanted to play, but with that many people behind you, there's a good chance you are small dog to at least one hand, maybe more, and possibly dominated by an AQ from early position. Best case scenario is you have the highest Ax and everyone else is playing Ax<J, and Jx and worse hoping for monster flop on a cheap hand, but that's unlikely. Raise it big and hope to thin the field, or call it and hope for a complete/check, and at least 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the flop. Anything else be really careful.

TT

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Ben Therre · #5 06-09-2005, 02:24 AM

Ditto! Limp or raise more.
GL

billyjex · #6 06-09-2005, 02:27 AM

agreed w/others.

I limp here and just try to flop something big.

also, I've never seen a super weekday w/ only 280 entrants.

4T25Q85 · #7 06-09-2005, 09:13 AM

thanks for your advice guys...also i meant to say it was a super weekday QUALIFIER, sorry.

Raemius · #8 06-09-2005, 10:53 AM

Sitting on A-Js on the button with all the limpers, I may have been inclined to bet about $200-$250, about what's in the pot already. My preference would be to have everyone fold, or have one caller max and play the player post-flop. The worry would be that anyone calling you may have you dominated, pocket pairs are a possibility, as is a higher Ace. KK-QQ is also a concern, but I find most player on-line will put go all-in on hands like that. If re-raised, I'd muck.

I could be totally out to lunch here....
Thoughts?

Sam T. · #9 06-09-2005, 12:11 PM

Early in a tourney, I've started playing AJ (and in some cases AQ) much more passively than in the past. I like limping here just because virtually any bet you make is going to be called by one or two players. Next thing you know, you've created a massive pot, with a hand that is okay, but not sterling.

Limp here, and see what happens on the flop. By the time the betting gets to you, you should have a pretty good idea where you are.

Good luck,

Sam

Raemius · #10 06-09-2005, 12:17 PM

True, it is party poker, where J-T is an all-in hand for many players [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]