i took too many varieties

1800GAMBLER · #1 05-28-2005, 11:54 AM

standard one. just a question of if unknowns bluff here, in the 15/30 this was a pretty standard call because they made these stupid bluffs with T,x here. but in the 30/60?

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets

James282 · #2 05-28-2005, 12:01 PM

This is a call for sure.
-James

tomahawk · #3 05-28-2005, 12:11 PM

strokes?

are you considering folding? pretty clear call imo. You have to be good more than one in ten.

1800GAMBLER · #4 05-28-2005, 12:38 PM

Yep, strokes.

elindauer · #5 05-28-2005, 12:57 PM

Let's put it this way. If you only call this bet when you have a flush, players will notice and start taking away pots from you. This is bad.

That doesn't mean you throw away your money on hopeless calls of course. But in this case, he can be bluffing a missed straight draw. He can be betting a weak J for value. He could be doing the "if I'm going to call, I might as well bet" move with a ten. You're good here often enough to call.

Good luck.
Eric

theBruiser500 · #6 05-29-2005, 02:28 AM

"Let's put it this way. If you only call this bet when you have a flush, players will notice and start taking away pots from you. This is bad. "

good metagame point elindaur, really interesting post

gonores · #7 05-28-2005, 01:00 PM

Everything here screams T to me.

AJo Go All In · #8 05-28-2005, 03:21 PM

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in the 15/30 this was a pretty standard call because they made these stupid bluffs with T,x here.

[/ QUOTE ]

does this mean that a typical 15/30 player who bets Tx here on the river is trying to bluff you off a better hand? this can't possibly be right

shmahappens · #9 05-28-2005, 03:29 PM

in the 15/30 this was a pretty standard call because they made these stupid bluffs with T,x here. but in the 30/60?

Don't play the limit, play the player :-D

steveyz · #10 05-28-2005, 06:27 PM

I see a T with a good kicker betting this river, and not as a bluff.

Definite call.