A hand I played poorly

Bodhi · #1 06-02-2005, 02:49 PM

I'm currently clearing the Noble Poker bonus and so I have no current hand histories. However, instead of criticizing you all I thought I'd go through some of my own hands for the horror show.

Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

The SB is TAG, the BB is LAG preflop, passive postflop, and MP1 is wharfy. I checked my notes on PT but I unfortunately slacked on taking down more details.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB raises, Hero calls, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero calls, MP1 folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Here again we see the ubiquitous failure to raise with overcards and a gutshot straightflush draw. I suppose I reasoned that because the players at absolute are tighter "than a nuns nasty" I would make more money by not raising. As it turned out this was a perfect opportunity to 3-bet and the hand would've played out better for me.

Turn: (8.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

still passive because now I feared trips

River: (11.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

crying call

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

irishpint · #2 06-02-2005, 02:52 PM

like u said u have a bunch of outs on the flop so i raise and see how it plays. next time i guess.

@bsolute_luck · #3 06-02-2005, 02:55 PM

"wharfy"- hahah! what the heck is that?!
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As it turned out this was a perfect opportunity to 3-bet and the hand would've played out better for me.

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you said what i thought. probably fold the river too against a TAG. you only beat 88 here and i really don't see a TAG 3-betting a pair of 8s on the flop.

Bodhi · #4 06-02-2005, 03:05 PM

Yeah, I suppose my only question is whether the paired board should stop the hero from capping the flop.

irishpint · #5 06-02-2005, 03:09 PM

i would have 3 bet the first time i mean. you have outs that'll destroy 3 of a kind, i believe.

moot · #6 06-02-2005, 03:24 PM

Fold the river PLEASE.

SB 3 bet this flop (he likely has trips). BB raised preflop (meaning often times he's likely to have AK or AA-JJ, all of which beat you). With both of them seeing this on the end I don't think there's any chance you're good enough times to make this +EV.

Also, since this player raised preflop out of the BB his chances of having a premium hand are even stronger (since many players wuss out with lesser hands and take a "free flop").

Additionally, since I'm definitely staying in this hand I like 3 betting the flop to maximize my position and hopefully take control of the hand. I also think it plays a lot easier, too.

FOLD THE RIVER!

FlyingStart · #7 06-02-2005, 03:35 PM

Is it not possible that SB is holding a single 9?

I'm more curious of what BB has tho, a nine is not likely since he raised before the flop, chasing overcards maybe? But it's strange that he calls the river. Maybe pocket pair

bighomage · #8 06-02-2005, 03:53 PM

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FOLD THE RIVER!

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No.

deception5 · #9 06-02-2005, 03:57 PM

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Is it not possible that SB is holding a single 9?

I'm more curious of what BB has tho, a nine is not likely since he raised before the flop, chasing overcards maybe? But it's strange that he calls the river. Maybe pocket pair

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I agree with this, this is exactly how a tag would play a 9 (or a 7 for that matter). I think BB raised here to try and get a cheap showdown and to knock some players out on the flop. When he just calls I think he has something like AQ/AJ or is going for an overcall with something like AK/KQ and afraid of raising trips.

deception5 · #10 06-02-2005, 04:03 PM

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Fold the river PLEASE. SB 3 bet this flop (he likely has trips).

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He's a tag and it's more likely has a pocket pair or a 9.

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BB raised preflop (meaning often times he's likely to have AK or AA-JJ, all of which beat you).

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"the BB is LAG preflop, passive postflop"

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With both of them seeing this on the end I don't think there's any chance you're good enough times to make this +EV.

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You only need to be good ~10% of the time. I could see BB with something like AJ/AQ here calling in case sb was bluffing and sb playing this way with a 9 at least that often.