loose tables kill me- how to play this hand

irishpint · #1 06-01-2005, 02:00 AM

no reads. just got off the waiting list, huge pots! i kept thinking about when to raise for value and when to call to keep people in but none of that matters when they call/raise randomly! do u see a fold anywhere? by the end i had like 542323 outs to straight, flush.

So. on the flop i had 2 to the flush. turn brought me my flush draw and an OESD. should i have capped the turn for value? (love saying that). advice for loose games in general would be nice.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (9 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (27 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 27 BB

2+2 wannabe · #2 06-01-2005, 02:05 AM

you can probably cap the flop for value here

do NOT cap turn for value (your equity < bet expectation)

i would have such an urge to bet that river - but 4 others is too many

irishpint · #3 06-01-2005, 02:07 AM

i nearly cried when it was checked to me. but i had nothing and the chances of getting them all to fold to one bet in a HUGE pot is not good.

2+2 wannabe · #4 06-01-2005, 02:10 AM

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i nearly cried when it was checked to me. but i had nothing and the chances of getting them all to fold to one bet in a HUGE pot is not good.

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you only have to win it 4% of the time - but yeah....

i had a hand like this yesterday and i fired into 3 others into a 25BB pot on the river with king-high and got called by only one....ace-high rag kicker

irishpint · #5 06-01-2005, 02:14 AM

i feel like i was too passive in this hand. did i ever raise once? should i have?

2+2 wannabe · #6 06-01-2005, 02:18 AM

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i feel like i was too passive in this hand. did i ever raise once? should i have?

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yep - cap the flop

Bodhi · #7 06-01-2005, 03:36 AM

I think you should cap the flop and the turn (5 players!). It sucks that it didn't come through, but oh well. Playing aggressively also gives you more (very slim) chances to win by spiking a King.

Kumubou · #8 06-01-2005, 03:48 AM

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do u see a fold anywhere?

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You can open-fold the river if you want to be dope. Otherwise, no -- you had a metric asston of outs on the turn; you have an equity edge with four other opponents! Nevermind nine (!!) on the flop. You really should have capped the flop, and maybe even the turn.

-K

chiachu · #9 06-01-2005, 03:51 AM

*grunching*
im too tight, so id fold preflop... but assuming i play it:

Flop: I call when its 2-bets to me since i want as many people in as possible. But when its 3-bet to me, im capping this, since nobodys will fold to the cap.

Turn: Im 3-betting this, since im not expecting anyone to fold to it (either UTG+1 or UTG+2 might, but not both), giving my raise value.

River: [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

VBM · #10 06-01-2005, 04:23 AM

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do u see a fold anywhere?

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pre-flop? the least Kxs hand i'm playing in this spot is KT+s and I'm raising that.

even if you play very well post-flop, on a very loose table if you call liberally pre-flop, be prepared for some wild swings, + and -.

otherwise, tighten up and push ruthlessly when you have an edge.