Better way to play this hand?

deception5 · #1 05-26-2005, 09:17 AM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets, BB folds, Hero raises, MP 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Called the flop with overs+bdf+bds, the turn with overs+gs and check/raised the river when I hit my king. I called the 3-bet because the opponent was somewhat tricky.

topspin · #2 05-26-2005, 09:21 AM

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Called the flop with overs+bdf+bds

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You don't have a backdoor straight draw here, btw, at least not in the "1.5 outs" SSH sense. You've got some sort of double inside runner-runner straight that isn't worth counting as outs.

Nonetheless, I'd go for a raise on the flop. You have plenty of outs to improve, you may still have the best hand if villain is betting a draw or is on a bluff (note that a strong made hand would probably CR in this situation), and have plenty of outs to improve if you don't. You might even get a free turn card or get MP to fold something like a pocket pair or bottom pair.

JordanIB · #3 05-26-2005, 09:23 AM

Fold the turn.

Tiny pot, your overs could be reverse dominated, or you could be drawing dead.

Sorry, mis-read. As you didn't fold the turn, I'd bet the river, call a raise. You don't want to be putting 3 bets in.

deception5 · #4 05-26-2005, 09:29 AM

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You don't have a backdoor straight draw here, btw, at least not in the "1.5 outs" SSH sense. You've got some sort of double inside runner-runner straight that isn't worth counting as outs.

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True, I think Ed says to count it for .5.

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Nonetheless, I'd go for a raise on the flop. You have plenty of outs to improve, you may still have the best hand if villain is betting a draw or is on a bluff (note that a strong made hand would probably CR in this situation), and have plenty of outs to improve if you don't. You might even get a free turn card or get MP to fold something like a pocket pair or bottom pair.

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You're absolutely right. Thanks!

topspin · #5 05-26-2005, 09:33 AM

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Tiny pot, your overs could be reverse dominated, or you could be drawing dead.

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You did notice that 3 cards make him the nuts on the river, right?

The J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is probably worth half an out also, and the overcards maybe 3 outs. With a total of 6.5 outs and the pot laying him 1:6, it's still close, but peeling one off here isn't terrible. Having said that, I'd probably still find a fold given the reverse implied odds we may be giving if our overcard outs are tainted.

Marquis · #6 05-26-2005, 10:10 AM

I play the same way you did until the river. I like the river checkraise play as much as anyone, but not with just TPTK. There's a reason why you discount your overcard outs, and it's not because you should checkraise when you spike one.

Fantam · #7 05-26-2005, 10:16 AM

I cant see anything wrong with the way you played this hand.

If MP was slow-playing a set or picked up 2 pair on the turn it was not possible to deduce that from his play. He appeared to have a Q in his hand with his bet on the turn.

Following your c/r on the river, I think you have to call his 3-bet for the size of the pot. You cant afford to risk losing a pot like that to a bluff.

And if you had folded correctly to his 3-bet on the river, it would probably have encouraged him to bluff at you on subsequent occassions.

Having now read the previous posts, I agree that you should just have bet the river, because of the risk of being reverse-dominated.