99 in the BB. Your thoughts please...

bigpair · #1 05-23-2005, 04:09 AM

Didn't have any reads as this hand occurred shortly after I sat down. Thanks for your interest and feedback.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (12 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

milesdyson · #2 05-23-2005, 04:11 AM

Flop check raise attempt is fine, but please bet the turn. Since you didn't, you just might want to hit the raise button after button raises UTG's bet. In poker, 999JJ is what we call a full house. It is a good hand and likes when bets go into the pot.

Sweet river for button. In all honesty you can probably fold this correctly given the action in this hand.

moot · #3 05-23-2005, 04:27 AM

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Flop check raise attempt is fine, but please bet the turn. Since you didn't, you just might want to hit the raise button after button raises UTG's bet. In poker, 999JJ is what we call a full house. It is a good hand and likes when bets go into the pot.

Sweet river for button. In all honesty you can probably fold this correctly given the action in this hand.

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Yup.

I like the check, since UTG is the likely better and you can trap the field. A bet out will often be raised by the UTG which is less than ideal when you have a flopped boat.

But you should bet the turn. And as miles said, why aren't you raising the turn? This isn't a flopped quad with 8 other players to act behind you; you're not worried about blowing away the field. Both players will likely still be around if you raise, and they might even reraise you with their trips and give you some bets on the river (the other 95% of the time that the 3rd jack doesn't fall).

I would fold this river. Any pocket pair higher than yours beats you, as does a jack. Once in a blue moon you might see a split if that 4th 9 shows up (and no one holds jack or a higher pair).

But you're losing here very very often, so I think I would fold this. Though I'm not gonna chew you out too bad, because that's a rough (though somewhat poorly played) hand for you, and many players might pay that off. I might.

Kumubou · #4 05-23-2005, 04:43 AM

Pre-flop is standard. It is one bet to you, closing the action, with lots of cold-callers. I'll take it and try to flop a set... or a boat.

The checkraise on the flop was a good idea (perfect for value, as the intended bettor was to your left) but he chickens out, and so does everyone else. Oops.

You really need to bet this turn, though. The flop checked through, no one likes their hand enough to bet -- you need to bet and get money in this pot! The check is a little looney, but if you were clairvoyent enough to see a bet coming it makes sense -- but then to call it? With the second nuts?! That is maximum weakness.

My initial thought is why fold the river, you have to be good ~1 in 9 or better here. A J is likely, yet unlikely -- and if either UTG or the button showed down a high PP I would be shocked. Then again, it looks like UTG got a high PP, tried to c/r it on the flop like an idiot, properly bet the turn and got scurred once the button raised. I guess it's likely that the button has the case J, but I loathe giving people credit for quads, ever. I think I end up calling this every time for one, though -- if the other two players show down crap and I folded the best hand, I probably go on a three-state killing spree.

-K

ClaytonN · #5 05-23-2005, 04:44 AM

That was about as weakly as you could have possibly played that monster hand postflop.

bet/raise flop, bet/raise turn, check/call river

Shillx · #6 05-23-2005, 04:51 AM

Well you were off on your flop/turn read that must have told you that UTG held pocket jacks. It is way too late for me to be looking at posts like this dude...all I can really do is get sad. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Brad

2+2 wannabe · #7 05-23-2005, 05:16 AM

wow....

were you trying to check-raise the flop? i hate it

what the hell are you doing on the turn? since the flop checked through, why would this rag entice action on the turn? lead the turn - btw, why are you not 3-betting this turn? do you hate money?

call river and expect button to show you the 4th jack

moot · #8 05-23-2005, 05:21 AM

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were you trying to check-raise the flop? i hate it

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Why?

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call river and expect button to show you the 4th jack

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Why? Do you honestly think Hero's winning enough times?

Also... yes, it's a poorly played hand, but you don't have to be quite such a prick about it. This is the micro forum and the guy just barely registered (welcome guy, btw). Cut him a little slack.

bigpair · #9 05-23-2005, 05:26 AM

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you just might want to hit the raise button after button raises UTG's bet. In poker, 999JJ is what we call a full house. It is a good hand and likes when bets go into the pot.

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I agree. My turn play makes me wince now but at the time I was thinking I'd call the turn to lay a huge trap on the river so I got worried about UTG folding to a 3-bet. Again, I thank everyone for their comments.

fire_fly · #10 05-23-2005, 05:35 AM

Grunching... well, I did read the first 2 posts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] sorry, i cheated (btw, thought the first 2 were WAAAAAY off.)

Edit: sh**, sorry, didn't notice you only had 4 posts, should have put on my kid gloves a little at least, welcome to the forums, I think you'll learn from this hand. In general, forget about "setting traps," otherwise known as "putting on your fancy pants," unless the pot is *very* small.

I think you played this hand horribly.

Given the flop, you will probably drag this pot about 90% of the time. So why the check on flop? If utg has a hand, he will bet/raise/reraise no matter what you do, so why not get the bets in?

Betting out *guarantees* that you will get a lot of money into a pot which you will win the overwelming majority of the time.

Betting out is better whether utg has a hand or not. If he does (say A J or K Js, which are definately possibilities), imagine him "smooth calling" *snicker, snicker* your flop bet and then raising your turn bet, a couple donks coldcalling his raise and then you get to trap everyone with a 3-bet. If he doesn't have a hand, then you still get the most bets in that you can with the best hand.

What you guys think?