Need help with a mucked cards ruling

[fishman]

Couple weeks ago in Green Bay this happened.

The hands don't really matter but, at showdown, the board is xxx77. I show the K's I'd been betting the whole way, 2 other players show and announce that they each have A high. The dealer places both hands on top of the already straightenned out and ready for the automatic shuffler muck pile.

Somewhere along the line, someone, I dont remember who, says the one guy had A7 and therefore should have won. The dealer takes off the top 2 cards from the muck and sure enough, A7. He calls the floor and explains and the floor agrees to push this guy the pot. I'm not a hard ass about these things and didnt make a fuss. It was a smallish pot anyway.

After the fact, I made a comment about mucked cards being dead regardless of how they got there. Several of the old timers disagreed saying all they needed to do was look at the tape and they would see this guy won the hand.

Whats the proper ruling here ?

[deacsoft]

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all they needed to do was look at the tape and they would see this guy won the hand.



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They don't like to do this, but if someone is going to put up a big enough fight about it they will just look at the tape and ship him the pot.

[PuckNPoker]

"Cards speak" > "When the hand reaches the muck it is dead"

[tubalkain]

The hand was killed by what could easily be called dealer error.

The tape should decide where the pot goes.

[Prelude008]

I think if it was tabled "turned face up" then cards speak. If the player flashed the cards to a neighbor but didn't show then it's dead.

[deacsoft]

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I think if it was tabled "turned face up" then cards speak. If the player flashed the cards to a neighbor but didn't show then it's dead.

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This is also true.