Raising the turn with unimproved AK

TMFS9 · #1 05-20-2005, 09:49 AM

The SB in this hand was a sLAG at 32/22/2 and seemed like a solid player postflop and didn't notice him getting out of line. The button was a loose passive. I think it's quite possible for the SB to be pushing a flush draw here so I raised the turn to try to knock out the button (if possible) and charge a flush draw if that was in fact what the SB had. Is this chip spewing or good move in a middling sized pot.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB raises, UTG folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises

Noodles · #2 05-20-2005, 10:06 AM

id fold the turn, i dont like this at all,you said he was solid post flop and didnt get out of line.
of course its possible he is betting a flush draw,but i think more possible that he has a hand

TMFS9 · #3 05-20-2005, 10:13 AM

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id fold the turn

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Getting 8.5-1 and it being fairly unlikely a raise is coming from behind me I have odds to call a turn bet.

adamstewart · #4 05-20-2005, 10:22 AM

what did you hope to accomplish with your raise?

what purpose does it serve?

don't you think getting 3-bet would suck?

Adam

TMFS9 · #5 05-20-2005, 10:35 AM

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what did you hope to accomplish with your raise?

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My thinking at the time is I have the odds to call a bet, but raising might be better as it is still possible I am ahead and I might be able to knock out the button with a raise while at the same time take a free showdown. I am not saying I like the turn raise but that was my thought process at the time.

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don't you think getting 3-bet would suck?

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Yes a 3 bet would suck, and I would fold.

Noodles · #6 05-20-2005, 10:44 AM

I dont think you have enough,A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] would not be nice, youve only 4 full outs really

Noodles · #7 05-20-2005, 10:53 AM

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but raising might be better as it is still possible I am ahead and I might be able to knock out the button with a raise while at the same time take a free showdown.

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but if you just call and miss the river you can fold to a bet,only losing one bet,this way you lose 2 if your hand is worse,
were you going to call the river unimproved if you just called the turn?

TMFS9 · #8 05-20-2005, 10:57 AM

If the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the river were bad cards for me then I would have been ahead going into the river unless the SB has specifically x7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Noodles · #9 05-20-2005, 11:00 AM

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If the A and K on the river were bad cards for me then I would have been ahead going into the river unless the SB has specifically x7 .

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cant the button be on a spade draw?

TMFS9 · #10 05-20-2005, 11:04 AM

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cant the button be on a spade draw?

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The button could literally be on any two here, calling the flop bets doen't me he connected with the flop or has a strong draw.