Calling down a TAG with crappy kicker

Yobz · #1 05-04-2005, 05:16 PM

limper is a maniac, 75% vpip, 33% pfr...his limp means that he sees 2 cards in front of him and neither is an ace or king (1.2 agg factor)

I raise to isolate, SB is a TAG, 18/13/3 after 100+ hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Fold at any point, raise at any point? I figure I'm WA/WB and the river bet makes me think I'm WB but I can't fold after the maniac folds

wrto4556 · #2 05-04-2005, 05:20 PM

I guess it's WA/WB for the most part. You have a few outs to AA...but that's it really.

I don't mind it.

KDawgCometh · #3 05-04-2005, 05:22 PM

nh

That guy · #4 05-04-2005, 05:33 PM

I think you are good here >~10% of the time... nh.

Yobz · #5 05-04-2005, 05:39 PM

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I think you are good here >~10% of the time... nh.

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Don't I have to be good 40%+ starting from the flop?
I have to call the PF raise, 10SB in at that point.
He bets out and I call down the whole way with the maniac not raising (only calling) then I have to put in 3BB into a 11.5BB pot. Assuming my K is dead, I have 3 outs...another 3/47+3/46=13%+(3/11.5)=13+26=40%...So if I am good on the flop 40% of the time I should call down...am I good here 40% of the time...and does it matter since there are 3 players and the maniac probably has to catch a runner runner to win?

Super Pro · #6 05-04-2005, 05:40 PM

you'ret thinking about this way too hard. folding at any point would be retarded.

That guy · #7 05-04-2005, 05:49 PM

the 10% referred to the river call...

you absolutely can't fold the flop... so yes you are good >40% there...

especially with the donkey overlay, you can't fold the turn. the TAG might be trying one more time to get you to fold.

the river bet indicates he does have a K but now the pot is too big to fold for 1 more...

net net, you were trapped in this hand. it happens

pokerjunky · #8 05-04-2005, 06:12 PM

I play it the same way.