Two JJ hands

FlopMe · #1 05-02-2005, 09:01 AM

What would you do in these spots?

Hand 1:

MP1 is sLA-A 21 VP$IP and 17% PFR
No clue on MP3, he just sat down and GT+ hasn't updated yet

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Preflop: FlopMe is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

I folded. Would you fold?

Hand 2:

UTG+2 is LA-P 66 VP$IP and 10% PFR
MP1 is sLA-P 27 VP$IP and 8% PFR

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Preflop: FlopMe is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 3-bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

I folded here too. Would you?

texasholdemnut · #2 05-02-2005, 09:06 AM

I would never fold JJ, even though it's a tough hand to play, I don't think I've ever played that tight. The 1st hand I would have capped it. The second hand I would have re-raised. Post flop is a whole different story. Depends on what hits the board.

NateDog · #3 05-02-2005, 09:07 AM

Dont fold these, cap them instead please.

wireMan · #4 05-02-2005, 09:28 AM

JJ is a tough one for me. I'm seeing the flops in both cases. I don't think I would have capped in either case, but I'm calling the 3-bet to me in both cases and then calling the cap if that happens back to me.

ErrantNight · #5 05-02-2005, 09:31 AM

hand 1: cap

hand 2: cap

tiltaholic · #6 05-02-2005, 09:40 AM

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hand 2: cap

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tunnel · #7 05-02-2005, 10:03 AM

First Hand:

The fact that MP3 posted a blind may have encouraged (1) MP1 to raise and (2) MP3 to recognize this and reraise without a great hand. So I would not fold but cap it.

However, against a passive (and non-posting) reraiser, I don't think folding is a bad move. You are out of position and you can't feel comfortable with any flop (except e.g. J85).

Buckmulligan · #8 05-02-2005, 10:08 AM

JJ is seriously an amazing hand. It figures to make a set on about 12% of the flops, and holds up against other raising hands like Ak AQs a good portion of the time. I know people make laydowns like this in no limit, but don't here - not ever. The expert laydown is one of the biggest leaks you can have here at the low limits.

adsman · #9 05-02-2005, 10:10 AM

You can't be doing shiit like this. JJ is a premium holding. It has excellent pot equity preflop. You basicaly just threw money away. Cap this every time.

davelin · #10 05-02-2005, 10:14 AM

Hand 1 - I may just call this because of your position and see what happens behind you.

Hand 2 - Reads on opponent's raising standards? I'm capping most of the time here.