River Question

[Chris Daddy Cool]

you're HU first to act before the last draw in 2-7 vs. a decent player.

you have a-b-c-d-e and bet. villian raises and you call intending to stand pat. villian now draws one card.

now on the river,
whats the worst hand you'd check with?
whats the worst hand you'd bet with?

though given the way the hand is played, i think its pretty clear that its correct to check most of your hands here.

[Luv2DriveTT]

before we start answering position makes a HUGE difference. It seems as if Hero is last to act from the third round betting, is that your intention? Did you mean to say Villain checks the 3rd round betting, Hero bets and is check raised?

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[Phat Mack]

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now on the river,
whats the worst hand you'd check with?
whats the worst hand you'd bet with?

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Not enough info.

You need to state how much is in the pot.

Also:

You need to estimate what the best hand villain will fold to a bet is.
You need to estimate what the worst hand villain will call a bet with. (May be same as above, but there may be overlapping ranges.)
You need to estimate what ranges of hands villain will raise with.

If you want to add to the fun, what does villain think you think villain thinks?

[Chris Daddy Cool]

no, i specifically said that you're first to act, ie you're OOP.

you bet. He raises and you call with the intention of showing your hand down. Then, him seeing you standing pat, he draws one card.

Then you're first to act on the river, what do you do?

[fnord_too]

This is entirely player and situation dependant. I usually bet 86 and better unless I think there is a high chance of villain firing at the river regardless. I made a nice value bet yesterday with a rough 8 (might have even been a smooth 9, but I think it was 876) in a similar spot, because I knew villain would call any 9, T, or maybe even J he caught.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

Everybody is avoiding your question, but against an unknown player drawing one to the river (who I assume knows how to play the game -- which is not always a valid assumption on UB) --

OOP, I would likely value bet with just about any made 8. And check-call with most 9s. Not sure whether I would check-fold, check-call or bet-fold with some lesser hands (a rough 9 or a 10).

Of course, I could be very wrong.

[DeathDonkey]

What your basically saying is he just broke some weak pat hand to draw against you so he is not calling with any hand as weak as that or he would have just stood pat himself. Therefore there is only value if you have such a strong hand that you expect to win if he improves, but you didn't reraise last draw so your hand can't possibly be that strong. Therefore I would check with any hand that you failed to 3 bet with before the last draw.

Here's a question, given your scenario, if you check and he now bets, do you always call? Does it matter what you have?

-DeathDonkey

[Luv2DriveTT]

When I re-read the OP I see Hero bets, Villain raises, Hero Calls, Villain draws 1, Hero stays pat. Looks like its out of order to me CDC.

BUT with that said assuming the villain draws 1 and then the hero stays pat:

whats the worst hand you'd bet with - 976xx. But I'll also bet any smooth J or T and expect to win 75% of the time.

If I was the hero and I had to act first I wouldn't stay pat with a 9, J or T in many situations if I was just raised prior to the 3rd draw.

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[DeathDonkey]

We are OOP, we act first.

[timprov]

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whats the worst hand you'd check with?

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Probably an unbreakable nine of some sort. I'm unlikely to call and stay pat with much worse OOP.

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whats the worst hand you'd bet with?

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AKQJT suited, though I'd probably have three-bet with that. I'm not sure any hand ought to be value bet here. He'll bet with almost every hand he'll call with.