Clayton needs to stop doing drugs

ClaytonN · #1 04-25-2005, 12:12 AM

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 5 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

I read both players as having weak to marginal aces.

Tell me to stop doing lines of cocaine.

istewart · #2 04-25-2005, 12:15 AM

Nice hand.

ClaytonN · #3 04-25-2005, 12:16 AM

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Seriously?

I thought I played it right, but then I thought I butchered it. I'm so confused.

istewart · #4 04-25-2005, 12:17 AM

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handsome · #5 04-25-2005, 12:17 AM

I dunno... to me, the only street that looks right is the river. I check-fold on the flop

milesdyson · #6 04-25-2005, 12:19 AM

I don't mind betting the flop, and I don't mind calling the raise. 3-betting isn't for value, that's for sure. You have some dirty outs, it's 3-handed, and you're out of position.

Basically I would have bet called the flop and check folded the turn because the pot would not have been that large. Nice check raise on the river though.

ArturiusX · #7 04-25-2005, 12:19 AM

If you're going to 3-bet, why not check-raise instead? More chance of buying you a free card.

ClaytonN · #8 04-25-2005, 12:22 AM

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Now I am even more confused.

Don't get me wrong, I play lots of hands correctly. The only ones I post are ones I thought I played wrong so I could get critiqued for future consideration.

I figures my 2, 3, and 5 outs will are clean. 3 outs *could* have been discounted by club draws. This left about 8.5 outs.

I thought by reraising the flop I could get a hand like AT through A6 to check behind on the turn. I was wrong.

Come the turn, I had 7:1 odds to call, and I was about 5.5:1 to make my hand. Plus, I figured the other guy would call behind me. I also had to factor the implies odds if I hit my hand, which would probably go check, bet, call, raise, call, call. And it did when I hit the hand.

ClaytonN · #9 04-25-2005, 12:24 AM

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Basically I would have bet called the flop and check folded the turn because the pot would not have been that large. Nice check raise on the river though.

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The bet was to see where I was. I hate checking flops like this, because these guys range of limping hands far outnumber the kind of hands that worked with this flop.

The cold-call changed things.

In him doing this, I felt I could safely 3-bet the flop and get the proper odds on the turn to win a larger pot once both players called (or maybe a cap).

milesdyson · #10 04-25-2005, 12:28 AM

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In him doing this, I felt I could safely 3-bet the flop and get the proper odds on the turn to win a larger pot once both players called (or maybe a cap).

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Faulty logic. Do you raise and cap any pocket pair so you can call a bet on the flop to spike your set?

Don't raise one street to "give yourself odds" on the next street.