Some marginal situations. Push?

[Generator]

Another push check-up post, but with a short-stacked twist. Any help is greatly appreciated. These are $10+1's.


1. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

UTG (t360)
Hero (t585)
Button (t2740)
SB (t2385)
BB (t1930)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

2. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter

SB (t1080)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t4670)
Hero (t750)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

[Slim Pickens]

1. I fold this only because the three big stacks are all behind you and there's a huge temptation for them to call you with any crappy two cards, which fare well against 33.

2. I couldn't fold this hand on the foldingest day of my life if I had an electrified folding machine.

Slim

[Generator]

Some info I left out:

1. Preflop UTG folds to me.

2. Same - UTG folds.

[FishBurger]

Looks good to me.

[beeyjay]

There could be things at work here that I can't tell (u just lost a big pot whatever else) but overall you seem to be waiting too long to push. make sure you get desperate when you still have fold equity and not when you're actually well desperate.

#1 unless the big stacks have been playing extremely tight I would rather wait til I had 2 high cards to push than push with these 3s. In fact if the opportunity existed I would have pushed my SB or Button here with a lot of hands rather than push into 3 big stacks with 33. With all that said I think the right play is actually to push here no matter how much I don't like it.

#2 Easy Push (if I can stop laughing at the fact UTG folded in time to push)

[curtains]

I would push both, but I think number 1 is more obvious than number 2. In number 2 you at least gain the chance that the SB busts if you fold (I would push anyway). In number 1 folding is simply terrible.

[microbet]

1. push
2. close close close close close a decision probably worth a few cents close close fold.

33 plays better against a random hand than K5 does and you will very very likely face a call in 2, but in 1 you have almost 6 BBs. That's FE baby. You're not even on the bubble. You're a distant 4th out of 5.

Second one I think you get 2 more chances to find a better hand and this plus one more chance to sneak into 3rd.

[valenzuela]

You have to push both.
1)U have 5x the BB , a pocket pair and an unraised pot.
2)U have 2,5x the BB, an unraised pot, im pushing anything remotely decent. ( anything suited, 7high, 65o)

[valenzuela]

I totally diagree with you, this is an 11s.
ppl will fold wayyyyyyy too much , way too much, way too much in hand number 2.

[microbet]

Mebbe. I did say I think it is 'close close close close close'.

Someone has to get some data together and decide whether people call way too much or fold way too much in the lower levels. I guess those low buy-in players just fold when they should call and call when they should fold. Imbeciles.


pre-emptive response: kidding