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Old 04-17-2005, 01:56 PM
Bodhi Bodhi is offline
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Default The definition of existence

"To exist is to be the value of a bound variable."
--W.V. Quine

My translation: Existence is a logical operator (that is, quantification), not some property we discover in the world. Consequently, no definition is necessary, except as a formal question in logic.
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Old 04-17-2005, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: The definition of existence

I post, therefore I am.
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Old 04-17-2005, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: The definition of existence

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"To exist is to be the value of a bound variable."
--W.V. Quine

My translation: Existence is a logical operator (that is, quantification), not some property we discover in the world. Consequently, no definition is necessary, except as a formal question in logic.

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definition
The first entry reads:
1. To have actual being; be real.

Most people don't know the first thing about formal logic. When someone uses the word "exist," they are usually using it in the sense given above. Just like when someone says two events are "independent," they don't mean it in the sense that a probabilist does. They mean that neither event influences the other.

So in this sense, existence is a property we discover in the world. For example, both tachyons and black holes are postulated by theoretical physics. We have discovered black holes. They are "real." So we know they exist. But do tachyons exist? We can only answer that definitively by discovering a tachyon.
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Old 04-17-2005, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: The definition of existence

"Hi, Fuzzy Thinker here, with the latest news. You will not find the "meaning" of your "existence" using "formal" "logic". Thank you, and good night."
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Old 04-17-2005, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: The definition of existence

Some second order questions:
what does it mean to be real
what does it mean to be
what does it mean to be a being
how does once decipher from real and unreal
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Old 04-17-2005, 05:45 PM
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You can't use a dictionary when philosophizing.

People use all sorts of logical connectors in every day language without knowing a thing about logic, and that doesn't mean those logical connectors have two separate meanings.
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Old 04-17-2005, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: The definition of existence

Do you understand English? There is no meaning of "existence" apart from saying that there is at least one such and such, or that every such and such is...
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Old 04-17-2005, 06:29 PM
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That depends on what the meaning of the word is is.

And yes, I did have sexual relations with that woman. What are you going to do about it? Impeach me?

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Old 04-17-2005, 11:21 PM
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You can't use a dictionary when philosophizing.

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Sure I can. Can't everyone?
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:31 AM
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Existance is an assumption of self-understanding.
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