2 questionable plays

ZebraAss · #1 03-25-2005, 07:31 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

Button (t925)
SB (t1370)
BB (t475)
UTG (t1100)
UTG+1 (t1180)
MP1 (t1635)
MP2 (t2050)
Hero (t1265)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, Hero calls t30, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets t30, BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises to t70, Button folds, SB calls t40.

Turn: (t290) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t125, SB raises to t300, Hero calls t175.

River: (t890) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t400, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1290

A lot of times I find the flush draws min-betting out on the flop for no reason what so ever. I might have scared myself out of this pot but at the time I thought there was reason to believe I was beat.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t1390)
CO (t1285)
Button (t1115)
SB (t940)
BB (t850)
UTG (t590)
UTG+1 (t1170)
UTG+2 (t785)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t1075)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero calls t30, CO raises to t125, 3 folds, Hero calls t95.

Flop: (t295) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t295) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t55, Hero calls t55.

River: (t405) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t125, Hero raises to t450, CO calls t325.

Final Pot: t1305

I thought I could get the pot with his weak turn bet. I almost never make plays like this because thats not my style but I thought I would give it a try.

shejk · #2 03-25-2005, 07:41 PM

On the first, fold the flop, or if you are going to play - raise for real. You put yourself in an awful position.

On the second hand, I think you need some kind of read that your opponent will give you his stack if you hit. I don't know if I like calling a hundred chips when he only have 11 times that left. If you want the pot, rather bet out yourself imho. If you really want it at the end, you got to bet close to pot size, and not half the pot or something like it. Takes a read on the player that he might fold hands like that for it to be a good play. It's pretty fun when it works though.. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

ZebraAss · #3 03-25-2005, 07:46 PM

First hand...I like my position. I like to see a lot of flops from late position with 1k+

Second hand...I can't make a play at the pot by betting pot size because I am gone if he calls. With this play I still have plenty of chips left.

curtains · #4 03-25-2005, 08:25 PM

I hate the preflop call of the raise in hand 2. You are out of position and have absolutely no guarantee to win a big pot if you should hit your set.

Also everything your opponent is doing in hand 2 smells of slowplaying. He randomly checks behind after raising preflop (Very rare to do this headsup), and bets very small on the turn. I'd be scared I was up against a huge hand. Once he bets the river, the only hand I think I have a chance to make fold is something like KK-JJ or KQ, and I see no reason to believe my opponent would bet these hands at the end. I refuse to give my opponent credit for folding with an ace here on the end.

Any other hand that he would bet on the river and would fold to a raise, is probably losing to 77 anyway.

shejk · #5 03-26-2005, 01:25 AM

I was talking about the flop action, not the preflop one. And I do not mean position as in betting sequence, but rather that your raise there doesn't accomplish anything good.

Donating · #6 03-26-2005, 01:58 AM

On the first hand, I would stick to your originial read and check/check the turn. If you put him on the flush draw, he got there. Checking allows you a free shot to fill up and take a lot of his stack. Your raise makes it hard for him to put you on a 7. He can represent a lot of hands with his check raise - although he doesn't have to have them. This allows you to let him bluff on the river or get a relatively cheap showdown in case he got there.

cleinen · #7 03-26-2005, 02:11 AM

on the first hand if you are afraid of the flush why call his raise and then fold to a blank on the river?

morgan180 · #8 03-26-2005, 03:52 AM

hand 1 - fold PF, you're flop raise isn't big enough - the SB is getting odds to call that raise, i check/fold that turn card most of the time.

hand 2 - bet the flop if you think he's on a flush, on the river if you think your 7s are good call - the raise gets you in to a lot of trouble.

bluesbassman · #9 03-26-2005, 07:34 AM

In the first hand, I don't understand your play on the turn and the river. If you are worried about the flush, then you should fold to the villian's raise on the turn. Since you called that bet, and the river card (3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) was probably a blank, then it makes sense that you would call the river bet as well and gamble.

lorinda · #10 03-26-2005, 07:38 AM

I haven't read the other replies, I know what they say though [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Hand 1: If you are going to flap your arms around after the flop (like most of us do), then don't play suited connectors.
Simple remedy.

Hand 2:

I like the imagination you used to dump an extra 325 chips on the river, but otherwise it seemed okay.

Lori