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MarkD · #1 03-18-2005, 10:24 PM

Forgive me if this hand is trivial but I am fairly new to NL play. No real reads. Table was full but just went short recently. Is this all standard?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($88.50)
MP ($126.20)
Button ($44.85)
SB ($120.40)
BB ($86.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $3, MP calls $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($9.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, MP folds, BB calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB raises to $21, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $51.50

tbach24 · #2 03-18-2005, 10:25 PM

Limp it UTG.

MarkD · #3 03-18-2005, 10:30 PM

You know it's 5 handed right? Why so passive?

Also, comment on post-flop play would be appreciated as it's important to me. I'll figure out pre-flop play faster.

tbach24 · #4 03-18-2005, 10:34 PM

Give it up on the turn. Follow up is standard.
If you were to bet the turn, 7 is clearly not enough.

MarkD · #5 03-18-2005, 10:41 PM

Ok, this isn't going to help. I need explanation to buy into a play. It's got to have some reason or logic to back it up.

Specifically... why limp pre-flop 5 handed here? I'm playing pocket 8's for set value only? This seems much different then limit as this would be an easy value raise situation 5 handed.

Now, the flop bet I agree, this has to be standard (I am assuming) but on the turn I thought about giving up - but is it really that clear? There is 23.50 in the pot and you are telling me that NL players just roll over and give up a decent sized pot in these spots? All my opponent has done is call - why do I have to be beaten here?

tbach24 · #6 03-18-2005, 10:45 PM

Pre-flop: You don't raise because you are likely OOP and the odds of an overcard coming are very high and you will not know where you are at.

Flop: Follow-up is standard because with only one caller, it's likely he missed.

Turn: The spade draw hit and there's really nothing you beat. So just give it up.

MarkD · #7 03-18-2005, 10:50 PM

Thanks... I simply must learn to be more weak tight to have a chance at this game.

Rocaix · #8 03-18-2005, 11:18 PM

Raise preflop is fine, continuation bet is fine. When the spade and second overcard comes, your done with the hand.

bort411 · #9 03-18-2005, 11:57 PM

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Pre-flop: You don't raise because you are likely OOP and the odds of an overcard coming are very high and you will not know where you are at.

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I disagree with this reasoning in a five-handed game. Raising makes it less likely that hero will be OOP. Flat calling preflop makes it cheap for CO and Button to enter the pot.

On the turn, I'm curious to know why hero made such a weak bet. If you were going to take a stab at the pot, or thought your hand was still best, betting at least twice what you did seems more reasonable. That bet is not going to get a fold from villian, and it makes it cheap for him to get to a showdown with any kind of hand, since you're pretty clearly not going to make a substantial bet on the river. ~30% of the pot is simply too weak in my opinion.

MarkD · #10 03-18-2005, 11:59 PM

Yah, I don't like my turn bet much here.