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#1
03-09-2005, 07:23 PM
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Jacks....
Hadn't been sitting more than 10 hands. No real reads.
Call me a wuss but this felt bad.... Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter Button ($267.27) Hero ($104.6) BB ($100) UTG ($99.05) MP ($33.75) CO ($150.25) Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $4.5</font>, BB calls $4, MP calls $4, CO folds, Button calls $4. Flop: ($21) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $25</font>, MP folds, Button folds, Hero folds. 
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#3
03-09-2005, 07:26 PM
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Re: Jacks....
BB probably has you beat. NF.
Lead the flop for more, though. It looks less like a "missed overcards" bet and more like an overpair. That way they will even more clearly define their hands for you.
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#5
03-09-2005, 07:28 PM
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Re: Jacks....
Nightmare preflop....I might even raise a little more...or limp you got caught in between. Still even with that being said thats about a weak a flop lead as you could have made. Thats how Id bet a flopped set there for god's sake.
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#6
03-09-2005, 07:31 PM
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Re: Jacks....
I doubt a $10 (half pot) bet into THREE callers looks like missed overcards. No way would I bet AK here on the flop.
But not raising it pf? These PP kids usually make their biggest mistakes preflop, and I feel like I'm missing LOTS of bets if I dont raise it up. With a hand like AK/AQ where i have to play a missed flop out of position 2/3 of the time.... I dont mind just completing. But JJ likes a lot of flops, and I'm quite comfortable with it out of position. I'd love to hear more on this though -Kings
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#7
03-09-2005, 07:35 PM
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Re: Jacks....
[ QUOTE ]
I doubt a $10 (half pot) bet into THREE callers looks like missed overcards. No way would I bet AK here on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Trust me, they think that you don't like the flop when you bet small. That's why the weak lead on a flop with a set is so nice. [ QUOTE ] But not raising it pf? These PP kids usually make their biggest mistakes preflop, and I feel like I'm missing LOTS of bets if I dont raise it up. With a hand like AK/AQ where i have to play a missed flop out of position 2/3 of the time.... I dont mind just completing. But JJ likes a lot of flops, and I'm quite comfortable with it out of position. I'd love to hear more on this though [/ QUOTE ] Don't get attached to overpairs. The more I find myself raising, the more I find myself bluffing. OOP is hard to manage, as well.
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#8
03-09-2005, 07:41 PM
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Re: Jacks....
Betting the flop harder (15-20) sounds like a better plan to define my hand and make a laydown easier if need be, but I still can't get my head around not raising this preflop. Raising more, sure, to $8 or so might make things easier. But I really don't want 4 people seeing an easy way to outflop me.
Maybe if this were $1000 NL then yes, completing would be a fine play, but at party 100 NL I'm just thinking about the $6 raise that ATs would call. I'm open to hear more I just am not sure this is the best spot to play Jacks so passively. Do you guys routinely just complete/check these in the blinds? How do you proceed?
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