Another Question On Applicability of Clark's Theorem

gaming_mouse · #1 03-02-2005, 02:50 PM

This was 3-handed at the end, so I'm not sure if Clarkmeister's theorem applies. Anyway, who bets this river?

SB is loose and seems passive. BB is very loose and has a hard on for me b/c I've taken some big pots off him. So his PF 3-bet could easily be an angry tiltish flailing.

And feel free to berate me for not raising the flop, just please explain why waiting for a safe turn doesn't apply here.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero....

Fat Nicky · #2 03-02-2005, 02:51 PM

the theorum only applies when you're out of position.

JoshuaD · #3 03-02-2005, 02:56 PM

Check it through. BB almost definitely has a mid heart he's not folding.

gaming_mouse · #4 03-02-2005, 02:56 PM

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the theorum only applies when you're out of position.

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So this is an easy check behind?

cold_cash · #5 03-02-2005, 02:57 PM

You raise the flop because you want the SB to fold ANY heart. It's going to be tough for him to call two bets with a low/middle range one, which is good for you.

I probably wouldn't bet this river 3-handed. It's tough for worse hands to call, and a better hand isn't folding. Although you might get a crying call from the BB if he has a Queen, with the SB still in I think I'm checking.

*Edited for suit retardation.

Fat Nicky · #6 03-02-2005, 02:57 PM

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the theorum only applies when you're out of position.

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So this is an easy check behind?

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that's my choice.

gaming_mouse · #7 03-02-2005, 03:00 PM

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You raise the flop because you want the SB to fold ANY diamond. It's going to be tough for him to call two bets with a low/middle range one, which is good for you.

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You meant heart, but this is a really good point I did not consider.

Thanks,
gm

MaxPower · #8 03-02-2005, 03:03 PM

I'm sure this has been said already but Clark's thing only makes sense if you are first to act.

I would usually check this through and then curse myself wondering if he would have folded the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] had I bet [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Octopus · #9 03-02-2005, 03:05 PM

Clarkmeister's theorem also only applies when the 4th flush card comes on the river (in addition to you being out of position and head's up).

Check behind.

colgin · #10 03-02-2005, 03:05 PM

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I would usually check this through and then curse myself wondering if he would have folded the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] had I bet [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Don't worry; he would not have folded.