2 HANDS - PARTY 200NL

LuvDemNutz · #1 03-01-2005, 12:56 PM

HAND 1 -

Villain is loose - not overly aggressive.
This is a pretty boring hand but I want to discuss the merits of firing another shell on the turn and/or river. I have problems with these situations.

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Hero ($171.3)
SB ($192)
BB ($327.1)
UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($339.5)
UTG+1 ($496.4)
UTG+2 ($706.45)
MP1 ($176.6)
MP2 ($177)
MP3 ($100.1)
CO ($440.5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $4, 6 folds, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, UTG :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $14.

Flop: ($42) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $24, Villain calls $24.

Turn: ($90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks.

River: ($90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $90

HAND 2 - More interesting - Villain is a rock according to limited PT stats. But, I've seen Villian play marginal hands aggressively.

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Hero ($379.3)
UTG+1 ($200)
MP1 ($327.1)
MP2 ($496.4)
CO ($684.15)
Button ($159.4)
SB ($104.1)
BB ($239.5)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, 3 folds, Button calls $4, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($20) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $11, UTG+1 folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB raises to $35, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($90) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $55, Hero calls $55.

River: ($200) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $100, Hero calls $100.

Final Pot: $400

All comments are appreciated.

voltron87b · #2 03-01-2005, 01:14 PM

In hand 1 I think you can definitely fire another, slightly larger caliber shell on the turn. If that is called and you get no help on the river it's a check unless you have a read that he will chase draws and fold on the end.

Hand 2 looks good all around. I'm not sure I want the pot getting too much bigger.

citanul · #3 03-01-2005, 04:05 PM

wrong forum

HoldEm_Hero · #4 03-01-2005, 04:31 PM

Hand 1
I'd like to see the turn bet as your odds increased when you picked up the flush draw also a bet here might possibly trigger a laydown. I assume he took it down with a small PP.

Hand 2
I would say fold after the flop bet got raised but in your case I would have also minraised the turn and folded to a reraise and that probably would have saved you money in that he would have looked for a river bet if you still felt you were behind u could have checked behind. I dunno, both lines look pretty weak to me.

MrTop · #5 03-01-2005, 04:35 PM

In hand 2, I dunno if I would have called the check raise on the flop. It looks to me like you are in trouble here and it might cost you a bundle.

LuvDemNutz · #6 03-01-2005, 04:37 PM

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Hand 1
I'd like to see the turn bet as your odds increased when you picked up the flush draw also a bet here might possibly trigger a laydown. I assume he took it down with a small PP.

Hand 2
I would say fold after the flop bet got raised but in your case I would have also minraised the turn and folded to a reraise and that probably would have saved you money in that he would have looked for a river bet if you still felt you were behind u could have checked behind. I dunno, both lines look pretty weak to me.

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Hand 1 - What do you suggest betting on the turn - 1/2 pot?

Hand 2 - This is what I was thinking (after the hand) -
so minraise the turn and fold to a reraise? What if villain calls the raise and leads the river - still a clear fold?

Gargoyle · #7 03-01-2005, 05:21 PM

In hand one you need to come out stronger on the turn, bet at least 1/2 the pot if not more. if he calls there checking behind him on the river is fine, because he either has a pair he's commited to, or he's got a busted draw that your AK is likely to beat anyway.
Hand two I think you need to either make a strong reraise on the flop or just throw it away.