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Old 02-05-2005, 07:14 PM
eastbay eastbay is offline
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Default Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

I was wondering if anyone had a good reference for the matrix of 169x169 preflop matchup possibilities, listing win, lose, and tie probabilities for each.

I have a reference which lists equity for each of the matchups, but this isn't quite what I'm looking for. I'd like to be able to handle the case of split pots properly in an analysis I'm doing, so I need to know probability of ties, which is not possible by looking at an equity matrix.

Anticipating the first reply, I know twodimes.net can give me any specific matchup, like AcKd Ts9s. What I want to know is the enumeration of matchups for the 169 preflop hands: pairs, suited, and offsuit hands. In each of those is the weighted probability of each of the possible specific matchups which fit the category for the preflop hands.

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Old 02-05-2005, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

Don't forget that the odds for AdKd vs. QsQd are different than those for AcKc vs. QsQd, etc. even though they both count as AKs vs. QQ. Same with AdAc vs. KdKc (different odds than AdAc vs. KhKs) So if you want precision it can't really be only the 169 hands.
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Old 02-05-2005, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

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Don't forget that the odds for AdKd vs. QsQd are different than those for AcKc vs. QsQd, etc. even though they both count as AKs vs. QQ. Same with AdAc vs. KdKc (different odds than AdAc vs. KhKs)


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Sure.

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So if you want precision it can't really be only the 169 hands.

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No, what I'm looking for is the weighted average of each of the possibilities.

Think of it this way: If I say I want to know the win % of AA vs. any pair, I can do so by determining the win % against each possiblitity and weighting it by its likelihood. There is no loss of "precision." It is simply a different question.

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Old 02-06-2005, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

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Don't forget that the odds for AdKd vs. QsQd are different than those for AcKc vs. QsQd, etc. even though they both count as AKs vs. QQ. Same with AdAc vs. KdKc (different odds than AdAc vs. KhKs)


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Sure.

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So if you want precision it can't really be only the 169 hands.

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No, what I'm looking for is the weighted average of each of the possibilities.

Think of it this way: If I say I want to know the win % of AA vs. any pair, I can do so by determining the win % against each possiblitity and weighting it by its likelihood. There is no loss of "precision." It is simply a different question.

eastbay

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Why?

You want to win money, not know "exact numbers." A couple of percentage points give a low margin of error. That margin is low enough to not affect your equity.
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Old 02-06-2005, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

If you want useless info of starting hands v. random hands, here they are:

AA 0.85204
KK 0.82396
QQ 0.79925
JJ 0.77469
TT 0.75012
99 0.72057
88 0.69163
77 0.66236
AK 0.65751
AQ 0.64876
AJ 0.64021
66 0.63285
AT 0.63192
KQ 0.61942
A9 0.61275
KJ 0.61068
A8 0.6039
55 0.60325
KT 0.60251
A7 0.59377
QJ 0.58666
K9 0.58356
A5 0.58253
A6 0.58238
QT 0.57835
A4 0.57306
44 0.57023
A3 0.56439
Q9 0.55936
JT 0.55818
A2 0.55541
J9 0.53834
33 0.53693
T9 0.52156
T8 0.50375
22 0.50334
98 0.48773
97 0.47003
87 0.45772
86 0.43991
76 0.43085
75 0.41303
65 0.40742
64 0.38441
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Old 02-06-2005, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

That is clearly not what I asked for.

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Old 02-06-2005, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

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Why?

You want to win money, not know "exact numbers."

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I have ways to win money with the information.

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Old 02-08-2005, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: Preflop matchup matrix: win, lose, tie probabilities

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I have a reference which lists equity for each of the matchups


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Sorry I can't help you, but I would really like this equity matrix you have. Where can I obtain it? Thanks.
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