KK and I am confused...

Entity · #1 01-25-2005, 05:27 PM

Villain #1 is LAG preflop, loose-passive postflop. Has checkraised me before with 88 when I had AA on a T-high board. He can be quite aggressive and tricky postflop.

Villain #2 is LAG both pre and postflop. Has bluffed at me before with 6-high on the river after missing his 5-high one card flush draw. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP (Villain #2) calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB (Villain #1) calls, MP (Villain #2) calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Villain #1 checks, Villain #2 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, Villain #1 raises, Villain #2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villain #1 checks, Villain #2 bets, Hero...

Scotch78 · #2 01-25-2005, 05:31 PM

Given your reads, I'm not convinced enough to fold, so the question is whether to call or raise. Either you or your opponents are chasing a 2-outer, so I sure as hell don't want to raise when I'm behind and would like an overcall when I'm ahead.

Scott

djoyce003 · #3 01-25-2005, 05:58 PM

I think you can safely fold because of the overcall on the flop. LAG or no LAG, you raised preflop and got 2 callers. You bet the flop, were check raised, then overcalled. I like to use the overcall rule, which is that the guy raising can be bluffing, but the guy calling, generally isn't. I think villain 1 has a pocket pair, villain 2 has an ace or an 8, and either way you are drawing at 2 outs.

Alobar · #4 01-25-2005, 06:27 PM

I fold. There are going to be times when it turns out you did have the best hand, but I dont think that happens enough to warrent a call down (which is what I would do if I couldnt let this one go, raising here will do nothing for you).

He overcalled a c/r and is now betting. I gotta believe one of them at least has an A.

Trix · #5 01-25-2005, 06:32 PM

Looks like a fairly easy fold to me unless they are complete nutjobs.

Vilian 2s coldcall will be an 8 or A almost all the time.

Grisgra · #6 01-25-2005, 06:33 PM

I agree. The pot isn't huge, given the flop coldcall I think you can lay this down with a clear conscience.

Entity · #7 01-25-2005, 08:07 PM

K, I folded, and Villain #2 took it down after betting the turn and river with no showdown.

Rob