KK makes 2nd nut flush...

meep_42 · #1 01-18-2005, 03:16 PM

I thought I played this well.

Villain's 5th hand, he was 100/75 w/2 showdowns (JJ/J9o) and seemed to play decently post-flop compared to his pf aggression.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

River: (18.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.75 BB

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DMBFan23 · #2 01-18-2005, 03:18 PM

I cap the flop, I think, and play the rest the same.

meep_42 · #3 01-18-2005, 03:19 PM

I was planning to raise any turn card.

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tiltaholic · #4 01-18-2005, 03:24 PM

hi-
nice hand.
i think i still cap the flop, because when that 4th spade falls, you're going to lose a lot of action...so I want to get the money in the pot when everyone is calling anyway. i think whether UTG leads the turn (as you want) is independant of your flop call or cap.

droolie · #5 01-18-2005, 03:31 PM

Cap the flop. You have an overpair and a draw to the 2nd nuts.

3-bet the turn. If he caps call down. If not plan on betting the river.

River call is fine since the board paired and you now have less than the 2nd nuts and might be in trouble.

Shillx · #6 01-18-2005, 04:19 PM

Ok this might be my most insane post yet...

Check the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] I'm almost certain that it is the right play in a higher limit game (and pretty sure that it is the right play here).

I'll post thoughts later (or soon after you flame me). [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Brad

meep_42 · #7 01-18-2005, 04:20 PM

I wanted to keep a lone spade (the A/J) drawing, as they're not going to leave, I wanted to make sure they think i'm weak and pop them again with a big bet. I'm on the fence with capping and waiting, as I think there can be arguments for maximizing the value of the entire hand either way.

4/5 times there won't be a spade on the turn, so a pair will lead out again, and the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] might, just for kicks, this is where I want to get them for extra bets, because I actually feel a lot safer about my hand without the 4th spade.

Ancilliary question - how often does the non-A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] c/r this turn? When I get c/r'd, I didn't particularly want to see the turn capped.

In this case, it didn't matter, because I think the villain would have folded his A6o (no spade) to any further aggression.

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meep_42 · #8 01-18-2005, 04:23 PM

I can see that. I only get raised by a hand that beats me (A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) or is drawing to beat me (set), and I only get called by a hand that beats me (set) or is going for a cheap showdown (Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]). I also disguise my hand as one where I have no spades and want a cheap showdown, allowing a lesser [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], set, or bluff to bet for me on the river.

But, I raise the river and call a 3-bet, right?

-d

DMBFan23 · #9 01-18-2005, 04:23 PM

HU maybe, because then you're only giving a free card to JJ. but no way I'm checking this 4 handed.

tiltaholic · #10 01-18-2005, 04:25 PM

i'd say a check raise means no ace of spades more often than ace of spaes. a non-thinking player with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] says "i gots nut flush!" and bets. a thinking player with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] realizes the best play is lead and hope you raise the field, whereas a check-raise would force people out.

edited for clarity