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Old 01-18-2005, 01:35 AM
Telemann Telemann is offline
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Default Just not sure what to do with this one...

Sorry, no reads on our villain. I'm not too good at this readin' stuff yet.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.75.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, Button folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB
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Old 01-18-2005, 01:42 AM
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Default Re: Just not sure what to do with this one...

I'd probably call his raise and call a bet on the river. A lot of players at these limits will bluff any scary looking board. You're probably ahead here more often than you think.
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Old 01-18-2005, 01:51 AM
Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) is offline
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Default Re: Just not sure what to do with this one...

Seeing that UTG+1 checkraised the turn makes me want to check the turn through and call one on the river, but I'd probably bet it anyway (because I suck). Given that you're heads up and you are probably way ahead/way behind and that's not likely to change, I think checking behind on the turn and calling one bet on the river is the right play.
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Old 01-18-2005, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: Just not sure what to do with this one...

The fold is fine. This line is almost always (like 95%) KK, AA, or AK.

If the guy isn't a light raiser/loose preflop, you should probably fold preflop.

Rob
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:03 AM
MarkGritter MarkGritter is offline
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Default Re: Just not sure what to do with this one...

Has the table been loose? If so, I probably would have reraised preflop with AQs and wouldn't fold to the turn raise. UTG+1 probably should check-raise with a king on the flop instead of check-call. He could easily have AQ, AJ, AT or worse at a loose table and may have been on a flush draw after the river: his raise is getting 4:1 odds.

At a tighter table, the preflop raise still doesn't imply he has a K to me, and I don't see a lot of benefit in him slowplaying after everybody but you has folded.

You're being given 5.5:1 odds to call to a showdown. Even with a significant chance of a split pot I think it's worth seeing; you only need to win 20% to make it worthwhile.
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:28 AM
MarkGritter MarkGritter is offline
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Default Re: Just not sure what to do with this one...

Suppose he's playing by the SSHE tight hand table and raises AA, AK, AQ, AJs and KK only from early position (ignoring QQ-99 which he would presumably fold.)

(NOTE: oops, screwed this up the first time with AAK board instead of AKK.)

You have AQ and the board shows another AKK.

Number of possible hands are:

AA: 1
AK: 4
AQ: 6
AJs: 2
KK: 1
total: 14

# of hands you win: 2 (2/14 * 12BB = 1.7EV)
# of hands you tie: 6 (6/14 * 6BB = 2.6EV)
# of hands you lose: 8 (0BB)

There's only a 50% chance he's ahead under these assumptions. The EV is 3.3BB, enough to get to a showdown. It's probably more if he's looser, but I didn't count the possible flush draw, or the split if a K shows up, or the remote possibility of a river A giving you a better hand.
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: Just not sure what to do with this one...

You can't do a simple bayesian statistical analysis to determine which hands are most likely, because AQs and AJs aren't checkraising this turn as often as KK and AK and AA are.

There's 1 combo of AA out there, 1 combo of KK, 4 combos of AK, and two combos of AQs and AJs.

This fold is fine.

Rob
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Just not sure what to do with this one...

Thanks, I completely zoned on it being a check-raise, not just a raise. (And thanks for pointing out that I was calculating with the wrong board... duh.)
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