poker never seizes to baffle me

Jordan · #1 01-05-2005, 08:00 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1460)
MP1 (t1555)
MP2 (t1830)
CO (t1305)
Button (t1625)
SB (t2145)
Hero (t1825)
UTG (t1755)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls t100, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t250) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t150, Button calls t150.

Turn: (t550) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t400, Button calls t400.

River: (t1350) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t500, Button raises to t975, Hero calls t475.

Final Pot: t3300

Maybe I am just losing my touch, but I can't seen to do anything right. I bet this flop to try and win it right there, or possibly build a pot should i hit my openended straight draw. When he called I could have sworn he had a weak ace. The turn gave me my striaght, and I was just trying to get the money in at that point. Of course the money went in and he showed me JK for the nuts. Am I correct in my play of the hand?

This is a $20+2 one-table on stars btw.

Mystic · #2 01-05-2005, 08:25 AM

Yet another hand post that serves no purpose. It's unfortunate. You know it. What sort of response are you looking for? Do you expect to be advised you should have put him on JK and check folded the turn or river?

Hands like this occur all the time. Get over it, move on to the next tournament, play your A game again and don't give it another thought. Really this couldn't be simpler.

Too many unlucky (or bad, whatever) beat posts are starting to ruin what once was a superb forum. What's unfortunate is that this means that some of the more interesting posts are sometimes missed with no responses.

Please everyone refrain from wasting other's time with posts like the above.

Mystic

Jordan · #3 01-05-2005, 08:41 AM

You're right. I've just been really frustrated lately, and felt the need to vent. My apologies.

floppy · #4 01-05-2005, 04:16 PM

Actually, others with much more experience seem to disagree with Mystic's opinion of many "useless" posts in general:

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And I'll have to disagree with Mystic on this post in particular. I think you could have gotten away from this. Once Button calls your bet on the turn, I think you have to think that KJ is a distinct possibility. You've bet hard twice into button, and he's called you twice. If he were protecting a pair/two-pair, wouldn't he have played back on either the button or the turn?

schwza · #5 01-05-2005, 04:26 PM

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And I'll have to disagree with Mystic on this post in particular. I think you could have gotten away from this. Once Button calls your bet on the turn, I think you have to think that KJ is a distinct possibility.

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this is maybe the worst advice i've ever read. i would burn money before i folded that hand. if you had 300 blinds in your stack the money would have to go in.

the only interesting question in this hand is whether or not to bet the flop. if villain is aggro, i would check-raise all-in on the flop (thinking that an aggro would have raised Ax and will bet w/o a hand). against an unknown, i like the the bet.

and you want "ceases" instead of seizes in the subject.

phifediggy · #6 01-05-2005, 04:31 PM

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and you want "ceases" instead of seizes in the subject.

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damn schwza, you beet me to it.

schwza · #7 01-05-2005, 04:33 PM

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and you want "ceases" instead of seizes in the subject.

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damn schwza, you beet me to it.

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eye assume that was intentional...

phifediggy · #8 01-05-2005, 04:40 PM

of coarse

DrPhysic · #9 01-05-2005, 05:12 PM

Dan Quayle wood be proud of this sheet.

citanul · #10 01-05-2005, 05:32 PM

i was one of those who disagreed with mystic in general.

in specific, there are of course worthless threads.

for instance, this thread, the hand pretty much plays itself, once you have the second nuts on this board, you're going in, in some fashion very close to the way the OP did.

look, everyone, threads like this are going to happen, where someone is frustrated and losing, and it sucks, so they vent. almost uniformly, they get flamed a bit, and again almost uniformly, they say "i'm sorry, i'm just having a shitty run lately, i know better." and then the whole issue is over, and the post dies.

we all hate seeing the bad beat posts and all, and the "why play these, they clearly aren't beatable" posts, but they're going to happen, and we've got to learn to live with them, read and respond to the better posts, and that process will bury awful posts pretty quickly.

citanul