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01-03-2005, 06:42 PM
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Fun with AJs
Hero has AJs UTG. I raise.
UTG+1 re-raises me. SB caps. Hero...? Here's my logic (which seems flawed): SSHE says if you get a raise and re-raise behind you, when it gets back to you, you use the same criteria as if you were cold-calling from EP. AJs is in that list so I called. However, I know it takes strong holdings to be able to re-raise a re-raise, so I'm not sure about the strength of my hand at this point. I figure for just two extra bets with the chance to win ten (UTG+1 will surely call), I have to call, but I'm pretty sure I have a slim chance of winning (maybe catching a straight or flush or get lucky and have my ace be live against QQ and KK or something). So, I know I'm behind at this point, but even with a 20% chance of winning (maybe lower with implied odds?) I should call. This seems like iffy logic to me, though, so I'm looking for any input as to what to do in this situation. Thanks in advance for any replies. 
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#2
01-03-2005, 06:56 PM
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Re: Fun with AJs
This is probably too loose of me, but I'd call with AJs and fold AJo.
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#3
01-03-2005, 06:59 PM
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Re: Fun with AJs
This is an auto-muck for me UTG.
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#4
01-03-2005, 07:04 PM
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Re: Fun with AJs
I don't see this being a call facing typical raisers. The hands that could three-bet you might be AA-TT, AK, AQ. The hands that could three-bet the re-raiser would be something like AA,KK,QQ,AKs.
Against a range of hands like this, you can never be sure where you stand. An ace still has you behind AK,AQ and a jack only puts you ahead of someone with TT. Similarily, if an ace comes and they were both on big pairs any card ten or higher that comes will put a possible set out there.
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#5
01-03-2005, 07:10 PM
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Re: Fun with AJs
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I don't see this being a call facing typical raisers. The hands that could three-bet you might be AA-TT, AK, AQ. The hands that could three-bet the re-raiser would be something like AA,KK,QQ,AKs. Against a range of hands like this, you can never be sure where you stand. An ace still has you behind AK,AQ and a jack only puts you ahead of someone with TT. Similarily, if an ace comes and they were both on big pairs any card ten or higher that comes will put a possible set out there. [/ QUOTE ] On the other hand, AJs makes the nut straight and flush, and thus the implied odds are tremendous, making this 2SB call worthwhile if you pick up a nice draw on the flop. The other players look committed to the hand and you stand to earn a huge chunk if you hit. Getting at least 10:2 on this PF call, I think AJs is worth a look at the flop.
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#8
01-03-2005, 11:09 PM
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Re: Fun with AJs
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[ QUOTE ] This is an auto-muck for me UTG. [/ QUOTE ] Ugh. Do you mean after the raises, or preflop in general? If you mean in general...ugh. Pre-flop in first three seats after the BB. Always. Yeah, I know. Ugh. Rob [/ QUOTE ]
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#10
01-04-2005, 12:11 PM
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Re: Fun with AJs
First of all, I should start by saying that I'm speaking of full ring game conditions. If the game is short-handed, 6 max for example, AJ is definitely a raising hand from EP. In a full ring game this hand is too weak to raise with from the first three after the BB. I should also point out that I do not open-limp in these games. Ever. Again, short-handed I will sometimes depending on the type of players I'm up against. Against typical internet players I'll open-limp will all kinds of marginal hands. Just not in a full ring.
That said, AJs is something I will limp along with behind an EP limper when I'm in MP. Same as I would with Axs, because the real strength of the hand is its nut flush potential. If I'm in late position and a MP player open-raises, I will sometimes three-bet it and sometimes fold. Depends again on the raiser.
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