Mason 'Poker Essays 2' re: 15% See Flop...

[That guy]

Curious if you could help me Mason or anyone else feel free to chime in...

In Poker Essays 2, re Limit Hold 'em. Mason talks about playing only top 3% vs an UTG/EP raiser but up to 40% of hands in multiway unraised pots when you are in position...

I can't seem to find anything marginally playable down past ~33% and I know this is kind of an anal question but what hands fall down around the bottom of the barrell but still playable...

I get down to about 54-suited and 98-offsuit...

hands like J3-suited or 86-offsuit, are those actually playable multiway/unraised?? if not, help me decide... and maybe a couple thoughts why XY is just not playable ever....

I want to be complete in my thinking, even if this is really just a super anal question...

thanks,

That guy

[felson]

After tons of loose limpers, you can even play Q6s on the button.

[That guy]

Q6-suited is a monster compared to what I am talking about... (Vince Van Patten reference noted)...

I am just going hand by hand and I have already used up Q6-s Q5-s and Q4-s... still I can't get down near 40%

[That guy]

Hi Mason, any help here?

what makes a hand totally unplayable in an unraised multiway pot??

[MicroBob]

According to the HEFAP section on playing Short-handed (different stuff I know...but hang on for a sec):

any pair - 6%
any ace - 15%
any 2 cards 9 or higher - 12%
any other suited-connect down to 43s + 1-gap suiteds down to 53s - 4%
any Kxs not already covered - 2%

Total - 39%

Substitute some of the off-suit connectors down to 76 or even 65 (that obviously don't work well for short-handed) and even 1-gappers perhaps to 97o or possibly 86o and then take away some of the Axo hands and I think you're doing okay.

Add in the Qxs hands as well for even more fun.

I'm not sure if this reaches 40% or not....just my guess.