Two 99 hands, two value bets?

[DMBFan23]

I think these are both river value bets, what do you all think?

comments welcome on other streets as well.

Hand 1:

SB is LP-P: 46 VP$IP, 3 PFR.
BB is the table coach, and is LA-A: VP$IP 57, PFR 7, Tot-A 2.66

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero...


Hand 2:

MP is LP-P: 58 VP$IP, 0 PFR

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

River: (3.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...

should have bet the turn in hand 2.

[Lurker4]

hand 1: I'd probably bet this against two LP/LA, but I think it's pretty close. I might be wrong though, betting might be a mistake against two others. I'm fairly certain I'd value-bet against one player.

hand 2
I'd bet this turn, and I'd probably bet/fold this river, as Villain will call with hands he won't bet w/ (a 2, smaller PP) and probably raise with only hands that beat you.

[Womble]

Id bet the rive in 1). There has been no reply to your bets and a K would surely have bet the river. The bet also makes them think you may have a K so they may fold a J.

Hand 2. There is an A out and many people like weak aces. Since no fire on the turn after your check, I think you are still good. The 8 could be bad but there are only 2 8s left. Bet that river too.

[Shillx]

#2 is a pretty easy bet IMO.

#1 is a check for me. If you get called, I don't see you winning your fair share. What is a table coach going to call with here that you beat??? Table coaches don't like showing down losers (it is bad for their image). I guess SB could call hoping that you are bluffing, but it would be real thin value at best IMO.

Brad

[DMBFan23]

I played both hands the way you would have.