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Old 12-08-2004, 12:10 AM
DrBob DrBob is offline
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Default KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

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I raised the flop because you can't always give in to aggression when the flop misses your raise, and here I had backdoor flush and straight draws to go with my overcards. The turn bet looks routine to me, but maybe I was going too far, taking a shot on the river. I didn't have much of a read on SB, except that he was moderately loose preflop. Comments appreciated

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB
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Old 12-08-2004, 12:13 AM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

Betting the river is terrible.

If you think he has nothing, I'd bet the turn and check behind on the river. If you think he probably has a middling pair, I'd check the turn and fold the river UI.

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Old 12-08-2004, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

Probably, but I was getting over 8-1 on my river bet, hoping he'll fold a small pair. In your experience that isn't enough at .50/1?
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Old 12-08-2004, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

I'd probably take the free card on the turn.
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Old 12-08-2004, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

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Probably, but I was getting over 8-1 on my river bet, hoping he'll fold a small pair. In your experience that isn't enough at .50/1?

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He won't fold here. The bigger the pot is, in fact, the less likely he is to fold.

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Old 12-08-2004, 12:27 AM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

What's your reasoning on the turn? I thought the turn routine because of the combined flush, gutshot, and overcard outs, plus the chance that he'll fold a small pair. Admittedly it's the 2nd nut flush, and the overcard outs may not be clean, but this looked like a normal time to be aggressive.
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Old 12-08-2004, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

I'm going to say this once. A default party poker player:

WILL NOT FOLD A SMALL PAIR TO ONE BET.

Remember this. Remember it well. This is why you get paid off with overpairs as often as you do, or when you hit your overcards, or when you have your straight.

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Old 12-08-2004, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

Yikes. I would probably check the turn and fold the river. If the villian will lay down on the turn, bet it and check the river.
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Old 12-08-2004, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

Thanks for your input, folks. I get the overall sense, from this and another similar post last week, that I'm taking these HU hands too far. This agrees with my general impression of my results in this area.

It's very tough for me to back down passively HU, I think I have this pathological fear of being marked as weak tight, but I guess I need to force myself to slow down here, at least unless I have very good reads indicating otherwise.
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Old 12-08-2004, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: KQo versus SB who bets ragged flop into my preflop raise

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I'm going to say this once. A default party poker player:

WILL NOT FOLD A SMALL PAIR TO ONE BET.



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DMBFan is scared of entity now.

well said, though.
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