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Old 11-19-2004, 08:10 PM
Chaostracize Chaostracize is offline
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Default 99 in BB

First hand after first break of PP $20 multi with 1,000 people. Down to 500. Top 110 pay. T1800, average T2000 (obviously). Button has about T1200. Blinds at 50/100.

Folds to button who raises to 300. SB folds and you have 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. What's the move?
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Old 11-19-2004, 08:43 PM
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Default Re: 99 in BB

decision time, i think he calls an allin
either lay it down or
stop and go
call and push on any flop
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Old 11-19-2004, 09:07 PM
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I would push here 100% of the time.
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Old 11-19-2004, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: 99 in BB

99sb late (stop and go)
some of you may have been watching, if so you could help with me with details and please critique the play.
i was playing the party 200+ yesterday and was down to 13 people. i have a slightly below average stack at ~70k. when i was showering this morning, i remembered how tight the player in questions was and second guessed my play. the button, fairly tight, short stack at table ~50k. i think blinds were 4k/8k, he made it like 21k to go. i find 99 in my small blind? what do you do?
If you’re really sure he has to have you tied (two overcards) or beat (an overpair) almost all of the time, then yes, you can fold. However, with the table presumably being 6 or 7-handed, it’s unlikely he’s really that tight. But if he is, then fold.

If you choose to play, this is a VERY good time to consider the stop-and-go. If you raise all-in, he’s getting about 8:3 on the call, and he should call even if he was bluffing and has a crappy hand. So, instead of playing showdown, call preflop, and then bet him all-in on the flop every time. This way, he will fold a reasonable percentage of the time, and you’ll win a lot more often. Of course, many of your wins will now be about T30K smaller than they would’ve been, but some of your losses will turn into wins instead.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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Old 11-19-2004, 10:43 PM
Chaostracize Chaostracize is offline
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Default Re: 99 in BB

What's the criteria for the stop n go in this situation?

Push on any non K and A flop?
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Old 11-19-2004, 11:03 PM
ethan ethan is offline
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Default Re: 99 in BB

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What's the criteria for the stop n go in this situation?

Push on any non K and A flop?

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I'd say push on any flop. Maybe not if the flop contains a 9.

The stop-n-go is intended to move him off unimproved overcards or a pair higher than yours but lower than some of the flop cards. The button's not going to feel too good calling all-in on an AK4 flop if he's holding jacks.
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Old 11-19-2004, 11:07 PM
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Why a stop n go is useful here i dont know even if he has 2 high cards odds make a call on flop necessary for him. Just push 100% of time and cross your fingers.
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Old 11-19-2004, 11:08 PM
ZootMurph ZootMurph is offline
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Default Re: 99 in BB

Any reads on the button? Does he blind steal from button often? Does he play positional poker? Is he a loose raiser? Does he fold to reraises regularly?

Without a read, I'd push here. A read would really help make the decision.
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Old 11-19-2004, 11:41 PM
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family,
these two hands are about as different as MLB and my beer league softball...they only look similar.
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Old 11-20-2004, 11:26 AM
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Default Re: 99 in BB

Das cool Soss, can you explain the difference?

the stop-and-go play is where you are in early position, call a bet/raise, and do so with the intention of betting all-in on the next betting round. You do this because you think you have the best hand, but you also think the opponent has a good chance of getting out on you. You know if you reraise now they will be potstuck and call, but if you wait for the next card(s) to be dealt, they could have enough room to fold.
i) villain might not call preflop
ii) you don't think 99 is the best hand
iii) opponent will not beat you by the river
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