30/60 98s hand

[Chris Daddy Cool]

online 30/60 game, a bizarre mix of loose aggressive weakness where one moment i'm getting people playing back at me with A high on the turn while the next moment i'm taking a pot down by semibluffing the flop

bb is unknown. utg is too loose but pretty straightforward postflop. mp2 is somewhat tight/passive/aggressiv/i don't really know. mp3 is LAGgy, but is up a bit on the table. he really enjoys betting and raising into the preflop raiser.

i have 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button and raise after 4 limpers. sb folds. bb tags along too. 6 to the flop for 12.5 small bets.

Flop: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

bb checks. utg bets. mp2 calls. mp3 raises. co folds. 16.5-2 my action. i decide to call. bb folds. utg calls. mp2 calls.

turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

checked to mp3 who bets. i raise. utg calls. mp2 calls. mp3 calls.

river: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

checked to me. i bet.

is this hand worthwhile? how'd i do?

[Stork]

looks good to me. Especially the flop call.

[sthief09]

I'd check the river. I'd think for that many people to call, one of them either has you outkicked or has a J. if they have a worse hand, it's probably a big [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and probably won't pay off anyway. I think you're getting check-raised too often, and check-called too often by better hands to bet the river. I feel like you're going to lose to T9 or Q9

[Nate tha' Great]

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I'd check the river. I'd think for that many people to call, one of them either has you outkicked or has a J. if they have a worse hand, it's probably a big [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and probably won't pay off anyway. I think you're getting check-raised too often, and check-called too often by better hands to bet the river. I feel like you're going to lose to T9 or Q9

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The river is a confusing spot, but I think I like a bet, considering that you would need to call and possibly overcall a bet anyway. At this limit it's not out of the question that he gets a better hand to fold once in a while.

[Diplomatdcm]

I think there is no chance that a better hand folds. What better hand would fold? After the calling the turn, the only hand i think he can beat is something like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X, that folped a piar and a draw.
Dave

[Nate tha' Great]

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I think there is no chance that a better hand folds. What better hand would fold? After the calling the turn, the only hand i think he can beat is something like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X, that folped a piar and a draw.
Dave

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The pot is large enough that certain hands like TT with a flush redraw or A9s might take a card off, hoping to improve, and then fold the river if they don't. Chris is representing a pretty big hand here, and the Jack probably helps in that regard. Also, in certain ways, I think there are more opportunities to induce incorrect folds on the river when the pot is multiway, and opponents fear overcalls behind them, or do not like having to make overcalls themselves.

If he can induce an incorrect fold as little as 5% of the time here with a bet as opposed to a check-call, that is worth quite a bit in terms of expectation. Give somebody a chance to make a bad read.

[J_V]

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At this limit it's not out of the question that he gets a better hand to fold once in a while.

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Couldn't agree more, and this fact turns a check into a bet for sure. 30/60 players are making more folds than people think. You are representing a big hand here. a better 9 or 10-10 might fold.

[Yobz]

You had the right pot odds to call on the flop and I like the turn raise, but I think I would check the river, too scared of getting check-raised. No one who has you beat is leaving and I dont think you can bet it for value

[Louie Landale]

Folding or semi-bluff reraising is how you play against the weak-tight player who semi-bluffs a lot. It may in fact be "bizarre" and "accidental", but the opponents are playing pretty good against YOU on the flop.

I cannot imagine playing this hand they way you did but then I have little experience with this sort of hyper-schizophrenic game. Looks like a routine PF call and post flop fold to me. Trying to move 3 folks off their hands with the turn 2-bet looks like suicide, but if you really ARE that tight ..er.. appear to be that tight then maybe, just maybe, you CAN bluff your way through this hand.

But I'm real sure that bluffing big pots against someone with a good hand can only be done profitably if its the kind of bozo who likes to smartly save a bet after confusing "apparently" with "obvious" beat.

- Louie

[Apocalypse]

Since i do not play this high a limit i was just pondering your thoughts behind the flopcall and turnraise and what i came up with was this:

calling the flop in order to raise the turn on any card and give big diamonds the insufficient odds to call?? (odds they would get if you'd 3bet the flop and have everyone correctly calling). Plus you save one sb if a diamond hits the turn and you represent more strength? am i warm?

Only part i do not get is the riverbet, but perhaps like nate says the 30/60 game has a profile that let you fold a better hand. With these many unsure reads i wouldn't put my bet in there though, on such big a pot