quick question

bicyclekick · #1 10-30-2004, 04:08 PM

CO is a super lag pre-flop, pretty regular postflop. He'd raise any ace here in any position as I don't htink he knows about position, any remotely suited connected cards and a decent amount of random crap. He's not too overaggressive postflop or weak. Plays pretty straightforward. He does bet his draws into pf raisers. .89 aggression according to pt.

The sb is semi-tight passive pre-flop and loose passive to the max postflop.

the bb is a lag (almost a maniac) on every street if he has a hand, but folds on the flop if he doesn't have anything.

Paradise Poker 40/80 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="CC3333">CO? raises</font>, Hero ?

I hope this question doesn't seem to basic...

Nate tha' Great · #2 10-30-2004, 04:24 PM

Against a player that will raise any ace, any broadway, any pair, suited connectors down to 76s, and K9s/K8s/Q9s, you are about a 54:46 dawg. I think a 3-bet is probably profitable given position and blind money, particularly if your table image is good.

bicyclekick · #3 10-30-2004, 04:30 PM

My table image is really good actually because I was getting hit in the face with the deck. I'm not positive the opener is paying attention, but the big blind is for sure. The sb just sucks and i'm not sure if he really notices either.

The opener capped with KQs after I raised utg, the bb in this hand 3 bet, a player cold called and he was on the button. He's that retarded.

Gabe · #4 10-30-2004, 04:42 PM

It's not a crime to just call here.

bicyclekick · #5 10-30-2004, 04:46 PM

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It's not a crime to just call here.

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I was hoping not, cause that's what I did.

I'm still curious what other top players would do.

mmcd · #6 10-30-2004, 06:46 PM

I'd probably call here as well given the situation. You have the button, and with your hand you really don't care whether one or both of the blinds came along. Whether or not I 3-bet would depend upon the extent to which the cutoff was likley to play fit-or-fold on the flop and the liklihood of bb calling 2 cold.

I certainly think your hand figures to do well on the button in a 3 or maybe 4 handed pot where everyone put in 2 bets preflop.

Even if the blinds fold, I think you gain a fair amount of postflop flexibility by allowing CO to keep the lead.

sthief09 · #7 10-30-2004, 07:33 PM

if he's capable of folding an unimproved A headsup on the turn after bicyclekick fires a second barrel, then I think 3-betting is preferable to coldcalling. if he's the type that'll call bs and call down, then I agree that CC'ing is better than raising because 3-betting won't increase your chances of taking down the pot without the best hand.

Robk · #8 10-30-2004, 08:18 PM

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CC'ing is better than raising because 3-betting won't increase your chances of taking down the pot without the best hand.

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even assuming this is true raising could still be better because it can help you take down the pot a higher % of the times you have the best hand.

Peter_rus · #9 10-30-2004, 10:03 PM

I would fold here. But im usually have pretty laggish image so if i was seemed to be rock i would raise.

I_am_B · #10 10-31-2004, 12:55 AM

This is a thought that I've toyed with for a while, and now am convinced it's true: CC that raise. You need to call because QJs is too good to fold in that spot, especially with dominated looseness behind. And because reraising, assuming that guy calls down a lot of stuff, won't turn the odds in your favor enough when he misses. Good discussion.

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