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Old 10-28-2004, 05:51 AM
dcarlc dcarlc is offline
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Default Straight on turn, Now what?

B&M 15/30

UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, fold, fold, CTO+1 limps, CTO limps, Hero on button limps with Jack 9 off, small blind calls, big blind checks.

Flop comes 8,9,10 rainbow.

SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, CTO+1 folds, CTO fold, Hero raise, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 reraise, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn is Q

SB, who is a terrible player and rarely ever bets, bets.
UTG+1 who is a very solid player and is very capeable of limping with Jack Queen, King or Ace from that positon raises,

I have made 2nd nut staight on the turn.

I have 4 small bets invested.
21 small bets in pot so far.
Am figuring if I stay to end I will get 1/2 pot at best, 1/3 pot maybe, No piece if either player has King Jack.

Would like some input.
Will let you know how hand plays out.
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Old 10-28-2004, 06:52 AM
AlwaysWrong AlwaysWrong is offline
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Default Re: Straight on turn, Now what?

Okay, first just on general principles:
"I have 4 small bets invested."

That should never enter your mind... that road only leads to bad play.

Ok, now let's try and say something useful..

If the sb is as timid as you say, and the solid player is solid (and thus knows the sb is timid), you look to be facing two straights. So you can either win 1/3 of the pot or zilch with your straight.

What I am really worried about here is that now that the sb has woken up and figured out that he made his miracle draw, he will continue to raise. If you could be guarenteed to see the showdown for only two more bets, I think you can call. But the raises could go back and forth, with you potentially drawing dead. As painful as it is, I would fold here. You might be giving up up to 5 big bets, but I doubt you're giving up more than 3 - 3.5, and I'd guess you are giving up zero.
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Old 10-28-2004, 10:41 AM
surfdoc surfdoc is offline
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Default Re: Straight on turn, Now what?

I am too tired to elaborate on the rest of the hand but there really shouldn't be a rest of the hand. Fold preflop. Next.
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Old 10-28-2004, 01:31 PM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default Re: Straight on turn, Now what?

yah i agree with the fold preflop, but laying this down on the turn is bad
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Old 10-28-2004, 01:55 PM
Yobz Yobz is offline
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Default Re: Straight on turn, Now what?

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I am too tired to elaborate on the rest of the hand but there really shouldn't be a rest of the hand. Fold preflop. Next.

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Couldnt have said it better myself. J 9 offsuit??
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Old 10-28-2004, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Straight on turn, Now what?

Having 3 people in and being pretty sure the SB will just call and BB will check. You are not interested in seeing the flop for 1 bet on the button?
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